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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine [/71]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Not questioning your race at all. I merely asked for confirmation that you are indeed black. It's not that tough a question to answer.
    Um, yeah, you questioned my race. You people can't stand a black man that tow the line. I'm embaressed for you.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine [/71]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Hold on - the Right hasn't blamed everything on the black man in the White House - I mean, they haven't blamed him for the rise of Elvis impersonators on the Las Vegas Strip yet!

    At least, I don't think they have....
    We haven't blamed him for the weather, like the Libbos did Bush.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Of course. I may disagree with them, even think their complete morons, but their still Americans. Any President that would open fire and slaughter hundreds of Americans who are protesting, has already forsaken his duty of the office. Why, are you saying you wouldn't do it if they were Tea Partiers?

    You do realize Ukrainian Government never fired on protestors in the Maidan right?
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    I do realise that. But that doesn't fit the US meme.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The answers regarding TWA 800 can be found on pages 257-259 of the NTSB's report:

    http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2000/AAR0003.pdf

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    There are a number of relevant facts omitted from that analysis. The conclusion that there was no missile admits to some explosive melting, some explosive residue, (5%) and witness to missile vapor trails. Omitted is the fact that the first 15 feet of the plane was separated in the first sequence. How can the cockpit be separated from the front of the plane without an explosion? The Radar dome was on the belly of the plane at the exact point that the front of the plane was separated from the aircraft. Exactly where a radar seeking missle would have struck. There was mangled support structure at the 15 feet point of the aircraft, where the front separated. How could those metal girders been bent like that, if not from an explosion? To me, that was a cover up. Why? to give pople confidence to fly, maybe, to help the airline industry? to avoid the embarrassment of US Navy training exercise being found to have been insufficiently careful?

    Perhaps the reason there was less explosive melting than in other eplosions, was that the force of the explosion was expanisve, and quickly spreead over the areas of metal, as the front of the plane was forced apart. The front of the plane came off immediately, and the plane continued flying without a cockpit, for about another minute. If the front of the plane had not separated, there might have been more heat built up, and more metal melting.

    Thanks for the reference, but I still believe there was a cover-up But I am not on a crusade to uncover the cover-up. I beleive I had read something like that before, but remained unconvinced then, and now. Thanks for the Missile reference for MH-17

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    It's an idiotic suggestion from somebody with no concept of air defense. There are no anti-missile defense systems. There are sophisticated and not so sophisticated ways of distracting and deflecting a missile, but it's a 'missile avoidance' system, not missile defense.
    Well, he is a republicon and probably knows what he's talking about, I mean, most seem (R's) to be authorities on defense systems by what we hear in the MSM these days.

    Senator plans to ask FAA for missile defense systems on commercial airliners
    Senator plans to ask FAA for missile defense systems on commercial airliners - The Washington Post

    “I think they should actively look into mounting active defenses on civil aircraft that are carrying hundreds of people,” said Kirk, a former Navy intelligence officer. “It’s not too technically difficult to add a radar warning system on an aircraft, where a pilot in command could dispense chaff to defeat a radar guided missile.”

    Kirk said he would write to FAA Administrator Michael Huerta to propose defense systems. He said the over throw of Muammar Gaddafi and collapse of the Iraqi army had allowed large stockpiles of surface to air missiles to fall into uncertain hands.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No president will ever ordee a hi-jacked airliner to be shotdown, so it's kinda irrelevant.
    That's naive statement.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    That's naive statement.
    Especially after 9/11 . If it is known terrorists are in control of a passenger plane that is heading toward a highly populated area then you can pretty much bet that plane will not make it.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I do realise that. But that doesn't fit the US meme.
    You all are focusing on one particular incident. And it's interesting that you guys are so eager to believe what you want, that you will rely on a un-sourced video that you don't know where it comes from. But let me remind you....

    All these articles come from the same news site you sourced above:

    Ukraine's bloodiest day: dozens dead as Kiev protesters regain territory from police
    Tributes pour in for dead protesters in Kiev
    Ukraine crisis: violence leaves 25 dead and more than 200 injured

    Now I'm curious, are you saying that those people didn't die? Or that someone else killed them? Maybe there were joos in the crowd that did all the killing hmm?

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    LOL, try googling for a foreign language news. US trained ISIS in Jordan and never mind the fact John McCain met with Khalid al-Hamad and others who fall under ISIS.

    You are seriously misinformed on Ukraine. Victoria Nuland was caught in a phone call setting up the "new" Ukrainian Government 15 days before the "overthrow". That takes planning. Also those in Euromaidan were sold a story by channels like 5 Kanal which is owned by one Petro Proshenko (CIA asset by the way), imagine that!

    Ukraine was and still is in HORRIBLE Financial trouble.. PM Mykola Azarov requested aid (loans and such). EU offered pennies of what was needed and massive reforms that would have crippled Ukraine. Russia offered every penny they needed, cheaper gas and no strings attached. So Mykola Azarov recommended the Russian deal. But Viktor Yanukovych picked the EU deal and reached an association agreement with EU. Yanukovych spend months trying to get Ukrainian Parliament to enact reforms that were required. Russia closed of some trade with Ukraine because Ukraine decided to go with EU. Yanukovych and Azaroz was forced to halt EU agreement until their numbers got better.

    Euromaidan were pissed about that and shouldn't have been. It was clear for anyone who looked at the numbers, Ukraine pushing EU deal with a decline of production by 10% would put them in a worse position in paying off the loans. The Government made the right move. Ignorant people and people who wanted to run the Government fueled the flames for their own purpose, Petro Proshenko and Arseniy Yatsenyuk wanted power and US and EU were willing to give it to them.
    First off, we've been training rebel fighters in Syria and not very choosy with whom we're helping. That doesn't mean their some grand conspiracy theory with us ... I don't are you saying we're using ISIS to ... what? Destabilize a country we just left? Take the tin foil hat off and think for a moment. This is just like those who were saying that Bin Laden was a CIA agent or some stupid thing, because we backed them in a fight against the Soviet Union.

    And of course they were talking about setting up a new government. By that point, you weren't going to fight a hell of a lot of sympathy from the protesters for the ex president. And if it was already a forgone conclusion that the president had to leave, then there would have to be some sort of government to come into play afterwards. We found out from our experiences in Iraq what a colossally stupid idea it is to not think about the government that follows after you topple the old one. Also, this wasn't a dictatorship, although may of wished it so I suppose (maybe a soviet proxy like the cold war, let's just run them over with tanks huh?) In a democracy, people do really bad things sometimes. After all, we re-elected both Bush and Obama didn't we? That doesn't however give the government any right to slaughter people in the street who are executing their democratic right to protest. Once the bullets started flying, it really didn't matter which was the better deal. People were dying on the streets because a power hungry president was beholden to his Russian puppet masters and didn't (or couldn't) relent.

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