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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine [/71]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    The possibly luckiest man on the planet is cyclist Maarten de Jonge from Oldenzaal who is sitting at his home safe and sound

    The 29 year old professional cyclist for a Malaysian team mostly cycles his races in Asia. He was supposed to be on flight MH17 because his mother and a friend of his mother were only able to take him to Schiphol (the Dutch airport) on Thursday. But at the last moment he changed his mind and inquired into a flight from the same carrier that would fly on Sunday and that would save him 300 euro's because yesterdays flight was going to cost 1,000 euro's and the weekend flight was only 700 euro's.

    The happened to be one seat left on that plane and he booked that one instead of MH17 the flight he had planned to fly with.

    His desire to save a bit of money saved his life and this was the second time luck saved his life. On the 8th of March he was sitting in the lobby of the airport from which flight MH370 of Malaysian air was departing because he too was flying from that lobby but he choose to fly out on with a different airline to Beijing. That flight departed from that same gate to the same destination but his flight departed 50 minutes before flight MH370 was going to leave. Maarten had been chatting to a few people who would leave on MH370 and disappear.

    This Sunday he plans to fly with Malaysian airlines to Kuala Lumpur because he needs to be there for his job. He isn't afraid to get on the plane, he said that he has been lucky twice so he should be safe this time too.
    Kind of reminds of how Seth McFarlane (Family Guy creator) was originally booked to be on one of the flights that went into the towers on 9/11.


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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Another patronising American.

    Behind the U.S.-backed coup that ousted the democratically elected president of Ukraine are the economic interests of giant corporations – from Cargill to Chevron – which see the country as a potential “gold mine” of profits from agricultural and energy exploitation, reports JP Sottile.

    Exposing the U.S. Corporate Interests Behind Ukraine Coup | Alternet

    Ukraine, an American arranged coup? Again. (sic) - Hannu Virtanen - Open Salon
    Do you honestly believe that the people in this video give a **** about US Corporate interest? Are willing to risk injury, death and imprisonment so a company could make a few dollars.

    Ukraine Protest 2014: After Riots, Declaring Victory in Kiev | The New York Times

    And of course some business want to take advantage of opportunities to expand into the region, and that has the potential to bring a lot of wealth and jobs to the Ukrainians. But this doesn't prove some connection with the protests, it just demonstrates businesses taking advantage of an oppurtunity.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine [/71]

    One Australian family was hit doubly hard by the crash of MH17. Kaylene Mann lost her brother Rod Burrows and her sister in law Mary in March. They were on flight MH370 from Malaysia airlines that has disappeared. In flight MH17 she lost her stepdaughter and her stepdaughter's husband.

    Woman loses family on MH370 and MH17
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine [/71]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Some of the people wanted that. There's different factions who want different things.

    Just like some Americans like Obamacare, and some don't. People have differing points of view.
    With one major exception, we're not cutting the heads off of those who disagree.

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    That's actually a pretty simplistic view. Yanukovich was a Russian pawn and corrupt. Everybody knows that. He was also elected. So you've got protesters (including many neo-nazis providing some of the military heft) who rather than respect the democratic process in their Constitution had a "revolution" not unlike the one they just had 10 years ago revolving around the same people.
    And in a democracy, you have a right to protest don't you? It's only when the government decided to violently crack down on the protesters that they were then forced to take more aggressive actions.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Do you honestly believe that the people in this video give a **** about US Corporate interest? Are willing to risk injury, death and imprisonment so a company could make a few dollars.

    Ukraine Protest 2014: After Riots, Declaring Victory in Kiev | The New York Times

    And of course some business want to take advantage of opportunities to expand into the region, and that has the potential to bring a lot of wealth and jobs to the Ukrainians. But this doesn't prove some connection with the protests, it just demonstrates businesses taking advantage of an oppurtunity.
    No, I don't, they had there own reasons for protesting. Having difficulty keeping up? What I sourced you was one reason why US policy was support of a coup to topple the Ukrainian government. A favorite US FP pastime, if you haven't noticed.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    And somewhat distracted the public eye from Israel's invasion of Gaza happening pretty much at the same time.
    The shooting down of the plane is not linked in any way with Israel's military operations. The timing is purely coincidental.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, I don't, they had there own reasons for protesting. Having difficulty keeping up? What I sourced you was one reason why US policy was support of a coup to topple the ukranian government. A favorite US FP pastime, if you haven't noticed.
    Wait a minute. Did you just agree with me that the people protesting were doing it for reasons other than American interests? Because you just defeated your own argument there.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Wait a minute. Did you just agree with me that the people protesting were doing it for reasons other than American interests? Because you just defeated your own argument there.
    How so? Of course those people camping out endlessly were there of their own accord for reasons wholly different than US foreign policy interests. I'm explaining to you that the US sponsored, encouraged and worked with the people who they wanted to take control of the country once the original government was toppled. Go read the BBC's transcript of the leaked Victoria Nuland's phone conversation during the planning phase of this coup.

    BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine [/71]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    With one major exception, we're not cutting the heads off of those who disagree.



    And in a democracy, you have a right to protest don't you? It's only when the government decided to violently crack down on the protesters that they were then forced to take more aggressive actions.
    The protesters weren't going to be happy until he stepped down. They didn't respect the electoral process as the whole point was to get him to resign. There were parts of the protesting crowd who were simply waiting for an excuse to have an armed uprising. While I certainly don't condone the action to crack down on them, it's incredibly simplistic to paint the whole conflict in the black and white terms you are using.


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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    How so? Of course those people camping out endlessly were there of their own accord for reasons wholly different than US foreign policy interests. I'm explaining to you that the US sponsored, encouraged and worked with the people who they wanted to take control of the country once the original government was toppled. Go read the BBC's transcript of the leaked Victoria Nuland's phone conversation during the planning phase of this coup.

    BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call
    Because, you don't have a coup unless the people support it. As you said, those people weren't doing it for some American corporate interests, but for their own reason. Which means that you can't put this on the US because the impetus for all this didn't come from us.

    And of course the West is going to back the new government that forms, the whole reason the government forms is to have closer ties with the West. Also, it would need to be supported since Russia obviously wasn't going to contribute aid to it anymore. I think because you see the Americans as bad guys, your seeing a cause and effect that doesn't exist. The coup didn't happened because Western Businesses wanted access to the country, but as a result of closer ties with the Ukraine those opportunities will open up. And by the way, this is what Ukraine wants as well.

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