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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    No, just enjoy finding asinine statements on DP.... you thinking his ass needs coverage on this one might be a candidate.
    As I stated earlier: this shootdown is a byproduct of Obama's impotency.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    A fair and reasonable response to my post... thank you.

    It, unfortunately, is not completely practical as what you propose is a form of brinkmanship (particularly the guarantee of a safe air corridor) that you might need to gauge the consequence of before you draw that line in the sand. In other words, you are one step short of military engagement, which in a nuclear world is a very dangerous place to be. Moreover, it would be one thing to go eyeball to eyeball with the Russians, but they are not in control of this situation... its the Ukrainian separatists at the other end of the conflict. Brinkmanship requires a rational opponent. We do not know if the Ukrainian separatists are rational.
    The objective is to get the Russians to back off. Once that's done we can let the Ukraine settle things internally.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I think the blame for this one isn't too hard to place. The Separatists have been shooting down planes on a daily basis. Today, they posted that they'd shot down a Ukrainian cargo plane - and then deleted the post once they discovered an airliner had crashed.
    It been reported (previously by the Russian Military) that this type of antiaircraft system takes about 2 years to learn how to use. I'd say these so called separatists are also known as "Spetsnaz"

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    As I stated earlier: this shootdown is a byproduct of Obama's impotency.
    did you actually say that? If so, that was priceless. If not, well... thanks for playing.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    How come flight TWA 800 had witnesses for vapor trails of a missile, and twisted wreckage by the cockpit, but TWA 800 in New York was ruled a fuel tank explosion by the US; and MH 17 has no vapor trail witnesses, but is ruled by the US as an explosion from a missile? Why not another fuel tank explosion? Underwear bomber? False Flag to get the Ukraine Russian separatists in trouble?

    "were divided over the origin.

    “One radar system saw a surface-to-air missile system turn on and track an aircraft right before the plane went down Thursday,” CNN is reporting.

    A second system saw a heat signature at the time the airliner was hit."

    "One call was apparently made by Igor Bezler, who the SBU says is a Russian military intelligence officer and leading commander of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic.

    Igor Bezler: “We have just shot down a plane. Group Minera. It fell down beyond Yenakievo (Donetsk Oblast).”

    Vasili Geranin, a colonel in the main intelligence department Russian Federation armed forces then asks: “Pilots. Where are the pilots?”

    Bezler replies: “Gone to search for and photograph the plane. Its smoking.”



    Malaysia Airlines plane MH17 ‘shot down’ on Ukraine-Russia border | News.com.au





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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Put all speculations aside. Just wait for the answers. The U.S. has sophisticated technologies that can detect missile launches.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I'd request a ramp up of NATO presence in Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania while extending, once again, an invitation for Ukraine to join. I'd announce that, in light of the situation on the ground in the Ukraine, NATO would provide a safe air corridor for commercial traffic over that area until we could be certain that no further incidents like this would take place. I'd also set up a conference to discuss what could be done to improve European trade with the US oil and gas industries. Basically I would make it crystal clear where my support lay.
    Sorry, but I do not want Ukraine in Nato. They are not a stable democracy and they have bad elements in their government and politics that we should not become allies with. Maybe in the future when it is a stable democracy and not a government leaning on extreme right wing parties, maybe we can think about letting them become members but right now, no way.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Sorry, but I do not want Ukraine in Nato. They are not a stable democracy and they have bad elements in their government and politics that we should not become allies with. Maybe in the future when it is a stable democracy and not a government leaning on extreme right wing parties, maybe we can think about letting them become members but right now, no way.
    Extending the invitation isn't the same as accepting them as a member. As I said, the objective is to get Russia to back off and to get the separatists to deescalate their military actions. The best outcome is a diplomatic solution but in order to give that a chance we need to get the shooting stopped.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    How many planes have they brought down recently?
    Doesn't matter. Separatist have been using manpads to down Ukraine Air Force planes, not civilian planes. You don't go 4 months of shooting down military aircraft fly sub 25,000ft to hitting a jumbo set at 33,000ft overnight. Separatist own the skies over that region with MANPADs. Why fire up a BUK system stolen from Ukraine?

    MH17 was off it's normal route. It normally flies south (Crimea) over Black Sea in areas absolutely controlled by Ukraine or Russia.

    Also if it was separatist or Russia.. US intel would have leaked or some Congressional critter leaked the evidence the missile came from them (Separatist or Russia) already.. yet none.. that should give you a clue that over the next few days the story will change a bit and outrage will die away. We'll come to find it was an "accident" with no blame to be passed.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Doesn't matter. Separatist have been using manpads to down Ukraine Air Force planes, not civilian planes. You don't go 4 months of shooting down military aircraft fly sub 25,000ft to hitting a jumbo set at 33,000ft overnight. Separatist own the skies over that region with MANPADs. Why fire up a BUK system stolen from Ukraine?

    MH17 was off it's normal route. It normally flies south (Crimea) over Black Sea in areas absolutely controlled by Ukraine or Russia.

    Also if it was separatist or Russia.. US intel would have leaked or some Congressional critter leaked the evidence the missile came from them (Separatist or Russia) already.. yet none.. that should give you a clue that over the next few days the story will change a bit and outrage will die away. We'll come to find it was an "accident" with no blame to be passed.
    CNN translated a cell phone call that went something like,


    "There is a plane, let's shoot it down."

    "That is not a military plane. It is passenger jet"

    "So there are a lot of people on board?"

    The Separatists posted they had shot a plane down, at the time of the explosion, but took twitter posting down, after a short time.


    It was not an accident. The separatists who decided to shoot down MH 17, knew there were a lot of people on board, and intended to get World attention by shooting down an air liner. Now Russia has a PR problem. Lie and blame others, is the usual, universal political strategy.



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