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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Nope... just the economy, Iraq and Afghanistan....
    Actually I was making more during the Bush years then at any time of Obama.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    A plane full of Americas was brought up. I say we would do nothing had that been an airliner full of US citizens.
    Reagan did not start a war on the downing of KAL007, a flight which originated in NY and was shot down by the USSR. No one is going to be stupid enough to start a nuclear war over the downing of an airliner, as egregious an attack that might be... there isn't much that a rational person could do....

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Actually I was making more during the Bush years then at any time of Obama.
    So was I, but debating anecdotes is not a debate. Macroeconomics is not personal.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

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    Bush/Cheney screwed up far more things in the world than any one President should (or for that matter, more than one might think possible), but he has no fault here. Worry not, its ledger if full enough. I am wading through this to see the first poster to blame this on Obama.... I thought I would see it within a dozen posts, but not yet...
    Congratulations, you're the first to bring up Bush. It had to happen at some time.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Congratulations, you're the first to bring up Bush. It had to happen at some time.
    Not true! You know, it gets tiring correcting people that post without doing their research. I was merely responding to someone that was looking for Bush blame in post #18.
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ...and you propose what?
    I'd request a ramp up of NATO presence in Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania while extending, once again, an invitation for Ukraine to join. I'd announce that, in light of the situation on the ground in the Ukraine, NATO would provide a safe air corridor for commercial traffic over that area until we could be certain that no further incidents like this would take place. I'd also set up a conference to discuss what could be done to improve European trade with the US oil and gas industries. Basically I would make it crystal clear where my support lay.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I'd request a ramp up of NATO presence in Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania while extending, once again, an invitation for Ukraine to join. I'd announce that, in light of the situation on the ground in the Ukraine, NATO would provide a safe air corridor for commercial traffic over that area until we could be certain that no further incidents like this would take place. I'd also set up a conference to discuss what could be done to improve European trade with the US oil and gas industries. Basically I would make it crystal clear where my support lay.
    Why would we want Ukraine in NATO? They have no respect for legal and Constitutional transfers of power, they just have "revolutions" every 5 years or so.


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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Not true! You know, it gets tiring correcting people that post without doing their research. I was merely responding to someone that was looking for Bush blame in post #18.
    If nobody blamed Bush, they'd have nothing to argue against. Or the race card, use that to keep them all interested.


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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I'd request a ramp up of NATO presence in Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania while extending, once again, an invitation for Ukraine to join. I'd announce that, in light of the situation on the ground in the Ukraine, NATO would provide a safe air corridor for commercial traffic over that area until we could be certain that no further incidents like this would take place. I'd also set up a conference to discuss what could be done to improve European trade with the US oil and gas industries. Basically I would make it crystal clear where my support lay.
    A fair and reasonable response to my post... thank you.

    It, unfortunately, is not completely practical as what you propose is a form of brinkmanship (particularly the guarantee of a safe air corridor) that you might need to gauge the consequence of before you draw that line in the sand. In other words, you are one step short of military engagement, which in a nuclear world is a very dangerous place to be. Moreover, it would be one thing to go eyeball to eyeball with the Russians, but they are not in control of this situation... its the Ukrainian separatists at the other end of the conflict. Brinkmanship requires a rational opponent. We do not know if the Ukrainian separatists are rational.
    Last edited by upsideguy; 07-17-14 at 11:52 PM.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sounds like grounds to carpet bomb the site where the missile came from
    So we are going to carpet bomb the area where a mobile rocket launcher stood even though the odds of it still being there or anywhere in the area is very small to non-existent and we will most likely bomb the civilian inhabitants of that area?

    And who should do this bombing? Ukraine?
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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