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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I doubt that the Russians shot it down. I suspect it was Russian equipment used by the separatists and that somebody thought they had another cargo plane in their sights. To that extent I believe that we will find that the downing was accidental only to the extent that it wasn't realized to be a commercial airliner until too late.

    That being said, this whole fiasco needs to be laid at the feet of Putin and the Russians. It is Putin who is supporting this separatist movement both ideologically and militarily. If he had come out and decried the militant actions of the separatists and insisted that while diplomatic dissent would be supported militant actions would not we may well be looking at a different situation today.
    I think we've got our answer.

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I dont think the US would go to war over something like this but to presume they would ignore the death of Americans citizens without a reaction is a little naive. I could also say the same about the UK, France etc
    What?!? Hold on.......did I say that the US should have no response to such a tragedy. Why call me naive?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Igor Strelkov, Russian rebel leader in East-Ukraine, confirmed they shot down what they thought was a Ukrainian military plane #KL4103 #MH17

    https://twitter.com/mtrimpe/statuses/489805514826862593

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What?!? Hold on.......did I say that the US should have no response to such a tragedy. Why call me naive?
    I wasn't calling you Naive. I was referring to previous comments.
    This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years. (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Igor Strelkov, Russian rebel leader in East-Ukraine, confirmed they shot down what they thought was a Ukrainian military plane #KL4103 #MH17

    https://twitter.com/mtrimpe/statuses/489805514826862593
    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Reportedly the deleted tweet from the separatists

    http://oi58.tinypic.com/29gmnah.jpg
    And (even though it's been posted already) the post about them downing another "cargo plane."

    http://std3.ru/ef/41/1405610146-ef41...f6c86d11e6.png

    We just shot down An-26 (note:ukrainian transport plane used by military) near the city of Torez, the debris is lying somewhere close to the coal-mine "Progress. " We have warned before not to fly in "our sky." And here is the video confirmation that "the rain of dead birds" continues. The plane fell behind a spoil tip, the residential sector is not caught. Civilians are not injured.

    Also there is an information about another plane that was shot down, it is probably Su"

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I imagine there would be quite profound political implications with
    bigger sanctions and "world condemnation"
    of the pro-Russia rebels could follow if it turns out they have shot down the plane. Putin will be boxed in a cornor and unable to come out.



    Who is really hurt by sanctions and condemnation?

    What do they accomplish?

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Reportedly the deleted tweet from the separatists

    http://oi58.tinypic.com/29gmnah.jpg
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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I wasn't calling you Naive. I was referring to previous comments.
    Ok, all good.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Who is really hurt by sanctions and condemnation?

    What do they accomplish?
    I think we are about to see a massive increase in aid to Ukraine both econimically and in military. Could tip the scales in the region and help Ukraine get rid of the rebels, with massive world condemnation it will be hard for Russia to be seen openly supporting these rebels.
    This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years. (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Report: Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Who is really hurt by sanctions and condemnation?

    What do they accomplish?
    Likewise, while it serves as no exoneration at this point, neither Russia nor the Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine have anything to gain by this. However, the Ukraine has plenty to gain if it could be blamed on either of them.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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