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Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

So many things for these guys to stand up to Obama about. Where have they been for the past six years?

Gen. Amos is about to retire, he should have grown a pair a few years ago.

But he at least stopped Marines from adopting wearing girly hats that Valerie Jarrett was behind of.

Gen. Amos is no Gen. Mattis who was just recently fired by Obama and Obama didn't even have one testicle to inform Gen. Mattis that he was fired, he had to find out from the press. Any Generals who stands up for America,the military and objects of Obama using the military for leftist social engineering walks the plank.

This is the second Marine General in just two weeks to send up a red flag about Obama, the other Marine General was Gen. Kelly. (See active thread in the DP military forum)

When are the other Navy, Army and Air Force flag officers going to grow a pair ?
 
We have seen the photos of Americans scrambling to leave Vietnam. We know terrorists will win the war in Iraq, with the United States not even having a drop of oil they were accused being the reason they were there. In Afghanistan they were being defeated by a third world bunch of goat herders, a deserter is the hero, and the main subject of conversation in any possible conflict is 'exit strategy'.

Do people who intend to win ever talk of an 'exit strategy'? Only today's Americans, as far as I can tell.

We were leaving Vietnam because the South Vietnamese government couldn't keep things together. When we left Iraq, things had returned to pre-Iraq war levels in terms of violence. And we've killed a hell of a lot more of the terrorist in Afghanistan than they've killed us. We're not the ones getting in bed with the Taliban. Ultimately, you can only help people that want help, and clearly these places don't. We achieved our objectives, and that's all we can do.
 
Gen. Amos is about to retire, he should have grown a pair a few years ago.

But he at least stopped Marines from adopting wearing girly hats that Valerie Jarrett was behind of.

Gen. Amos is no Gen. Mattis who was just recently fired by Obama and Obama didn't even have one testicle to inform Gen. Mattis that he was fired, he had to find out from the press. Any Generals who stands up for America,the military and objects of Obama using the military for leftist social engineering walks the plank.

This is the second Marine General in just two weeks to send up a red flag about Obama, the other Marine General was Gen. Kelly. (See active thread in the DP military forum)

When are the other Navy, Army and Air Force flag officers going to grow a pair ?

Is it really the place of the military though to question a sitting president. I would argue that the military should stay out of political matters to show they aren't just for one group of Americans or not.
 
Is it really the place of the military though to question a sitting president. I would argue that the military should stay out of political matters to show they aren't just for one group of Americans or not.

That is the job of all members of the JCS, to tell the CnC the facts.

Only an idiot be he a President/CnC, flag officer, field grade officer or company grade officer surrounds himself with "yes men."
Obama is an idiot and is also an incompetent CnC.

Unlike the other military chief commanders, the Commandant of the Marine Corps wears a second hat, "Corps, Country and God" and to defend and protect the Marine Corps customs and traditions. Gen. Amos has been accused of not filling the boots of the Commandants that served before him. But he seems to have grown a pair recently.

Gen. Mattis walked the plank when he put the Corps and America before social engineering and America's national security before Obama.

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That is the job of all members of the JCS, to tell the CnC the facts.

Only an idiot be he a President/CnC, flag officer, field grade officer or company grade officer surrounds himself with "yes men."
Obama is an idiot and is also an incompetent CnC.

Unlike the other military chief commanders, the Commandant of the Marine Corps wears a second hat, "Corps, Country and God" and to defend and protect the Marine Corps customs and traditions. Gen. Amos has been accused of not filling the boots of the Commandants that served before him. But he seems to have grown a pair recently.

Gen. Mattis walked the plank when he put the Corps and America before social engineering and America's national security before Obama.

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I'm not arguing that he shouldn't raise his concerns. My problem is that he makes those statements public, which undermines the authority of the CnC.
 
Yeah well sorry, Americans aren't interested in decades of occupation of Iraq. And Bush was wrong to invade Iraq, that's been established sooooooo many times.

Come on Montecresto, in hindsight it's a no brainer to say we were wrong to invade Iraq. But President Clinton had eight years to deal with Saddam Hussein and Bush just followed the Iraq Liberation Act that President Clinton signed in to law.

And Americans have a problem with any war that lasted more than a few years and it always takes Americans around twenty years after a war before they get that feeling again to kick some ass.
 
I'm not arguing that he shouldn't raise his concerns. My problem is that he makes those statements public, which undermines the authority of the CnC.

It doesn't undermine the authority of the JCS, According to former Secretary of Defence Gates and Panetta, Obama ignored the advice of his military advisers. Gates went further to say that the Obama White House don't trust the military. Even Admiral, McRaven said that the military has been left out of the loop when it comes to national security issues.

Do you know who's in charge of America's national security ? Valerie Jarrett, Susan Rice and incompetent people who couldn't make it in the private sector.

I think what finally caused two four star generals to go public with in two weeks was the four hundred thousands illegal aliens who have surged across our borders since April, over 50,000 of them juveniles that the Obama administration still claims to be secured. That's what caused Gen. Kelly to go public last week. And even Sec. of Def. Hagel agreed with Gen. Kelly and Obama and his White House still ignores Kelly.

Just look at Obama's failed foreign affairs policies, just compare the world today to 2008. It's one big ****ing basket case.

Putin plays geopolitical chess while Obama plays checkers and makes a stupid comment that geopolitics became obsolete at midnight on January 1'st 2000. Oh yeah, John Kerry also quoted Obama.

Obama has been a national security risk since 2009.
 
It doesn't undermine the authority of the JCS, According to former Secretary of Defence Gates and Panetta, Obama ignored the advice of his military advisers. Gates went further to say that the Obama White House don't trust the military. Even Admiral, McRaven said that the military has been left out of the loop when it comes to national security issues.

Do you know who's in charge of America's national security ? Valerie Jarrett, Susan Rice and incompetent people who couldn't make it in the private sector.

I think what finally caused two four star generals to go public with in two weeks was the four hundred thousands illegal aliens who have surged across our borders since April, over 50,000 of them juveniles that the Obama administration still claims to be secured. That's what caused Gen. Kelly to go public last week. And even Sec. of Def. Hagel agreed with Gen. Kelly and Obama and his White House still ignores Kelly.

Just look at Obama's failed foreign affairs policies, just compare the world today to 2008. It's one big ****ing basket case.

Putin plays geopolitical chess while Obama plays checkers and makes a stupid comment that geopolitics became obsolete at midnight on January 1'st 2000. Oh yeah, John Kerry also quoted Obama.

Obama has been a national security risk since 2009.

I'm fine with retired generals and those in the national security team speaking out about the problems this White House has with the military. My issue is the fact that when you pick a side and wear the uniform, and you have a sitting general opposing a democratically elected president, that's a dangerous precedent and is how coups happened. If you want to speak out, retire and then say whatever you want.
 
I'm fine with retired generals and those in the national security team speaking out about the problems this White House has with the military. My issue is the fact that when you pick a side and wear the uniform, and you have a sitting general opposing a democratically elected president, that's a dangerous precedent and is how coups happened. If you want to speak out, retire and then say whatever you want.

What is your opinion of General Billy Mitchel ?

He described Japans attack on Pearl Harbor to a "T" back in 1925. He walked the plank for doing so.

The vast majority of those serving in the military and WW ll vets sided with MacArthur not Truman.

I could list more than a few dozen company and field grade and flag officers who went public complaining about how the war in Vietnam was being mismanaged/micromanaged and fought.

There are some exceptions, you ever hear of Carlson Raiders of the Marines Raiders of WW ll ? In the late 1940's Brig. Gen. Carlson resigned his commission as a Brig. Gen. so he could testify before Congress to save the Marine Corps and tell Congress that President Truman was one big ****ing ass hole big time.
Truman would confirm it when he fired Gen. MacArthur.
 
What is your opinion of General Billy Mitchel ?

He described Japans attack on Pearl Harbor to a "T" back in 1925. He walked the plank for doing so.

The vast majority of those serving in the military and WW ll vets sided with MacArthur not Truman.

I could list more than a few dozen company and field grade and flag officers who went public complaining about how the war in Vietnam was being mismanaged/micromanaged and fought.

There are some exceptions, you ever hear of Carlson Raiders of the Marines Raiders of WW ll ? In the late 1940's Brig. Gen. Carlson resigned his commission as a Brig. Gen. so he could testify before Congress to save the Marine Corps and tell Congress that President Truman was one big ****ing ass hole big time.
Truman would confirm it when he fired Gen. MacArthur.

Are we going to be a country ruled by military authority, or a country that is run by a democratically elected president? If you take off the uniform and become a civilian, then I'm fine with that and you are entitled to the rights the constitution affords. And if Gen MacArthur would of had his way, I doubt anyone would be around to tell the tale. Regardless of that, Americans didn't elect MacArthur, and thus had no place in trying to unanimously decide American policy. Are you arguing that the military should launch a coup against the current US Government? Because eventually, that's where this road leads.
 
Plus pink slips for those in battle. Sending pink slips to a war zone | New York Post

And over 500 generals have gone since Obama took over.

This is no accident. Few will want to serve in the United States military again when they know they'll get pink slipped and will, as in Iraq and Afghanistan, have been injured or seen their loved ones die for nothing. It's a modern tragedy on the highest scale.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9uZdfqv3Hc

Maybe this general should learn to shut his ****ing mouth!
 
This guy is retiring and instead of giving the President advise he spews nonsense in public. Sad and cowardly.
 
While I agree on principle with what you're saying, and don't believe a current military officer should be getting involved publicly in political matters, aren't you concerned in the least that we now have a terrorist organization that clearly would love to kill as many Americans as possible in control of half of Iraq?

Allow me to answer that. I sure as hell am, and have been concerned about the blow back of US policy of supporting militant Islamic groups for decades.
 
Come on Montecresto, in hindsight it's a no brainer to say we were wrong to invade Iraq. But President Clinton had eight years to deal with Saddam Hussein and Bush just followed the Iraq Liberation Act that President Clinton signed in to law.

And Americans have a problem with any war that lasted more than a few years and it always takes Americans around twenty years after a war before they get that feeling again to kick some ass.

I'm sorry Apache, obviously we weren't here on this message board at the time, so I can't prove this to you. But its not hindsight for ME, I was a huge outspoken critic of the plans to invade Iraq at the time, and it created quite the caustic work environment at the time, opposing it earned me the label of Taliban John, anti-American, un-patriotic, Muslim lover and more. I was right.
 
The three conflicts that you mentioned were NOT US defeats. There's a point that (unless you can't to begin colonizing... which at this point might not be a bad idea) their own people have to stand or fall on their own. It's not our fault they can't get their **** together.
Would you classify them as wins? The Islamists certainly look at them as defeats and point to them as examples of American weakness.

They also know how the American MSM and its followers get bored with war very quickly, will soon turn on their own leaders and military, romanticize those who want to kill them, and eventually change from the reality channel to something quite different. This they do by creating leaders who will tell them the fantasies they want to hear. But, sadly, this is just a temporary respite from the real world and eventually reality rears it's ugly head again. When this happens they will scramble to seek which American is to blame for this latest crisis. Was it a "Fascist"? A "Racist"? An extreme right winger? A neo-con?

It never seems to occur to these people that the problem is actually coming from without and even if they ignore the outside world, the outside world will never ignore them. There are families of those killed over Russia who now understand the reality and horror going on out there and that it has been brought home to them personally.

George Orwell said many insightful things, among them being, ""Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

Now President Obama, with the world getting hotter, has given many of these rough men, and their leaders, pink slips. We'll see how that works out.
 
I'm sure he doesn't give a **** at this point, but General Amos just might find himself retiring a bit sooner than planned.

Obama doesn't like it one bit when his Generals criticize him. He's like a little boy that way.

"I don't like the way you talk about me! I'll get you for that!"

So Amos and other brass have always been accepting of their subordinates down the chain of command openly criticizing them in public? :2rofll:

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So Amos and other brass have always been accepting of their subordinates down the chain of command openly criticizing them in public?
If they feel the security of their country was at stake, why not? Is Obama's dignity supposed to come first?
 
Would you classify them as wins? The Islamists certainly look at them as defeats and point to them as examples of American weakness.

I'd say we achieved our objectives, and for Iraq, it was to provide them an environment in which a democracy could thrive. It's not our responsibility to run their governments. Unless we wanted to have a true imperialist attitude and actually start annexing some of these places and putting them under our rule. That's the only way people in that part of the world won't start up killing one another.
 
If they feel the security of their country was at stake, why not? Is Obama's dignity supposed to come first?

It has less to do with a single man's dignity, and more for the institution that it represents and there is a difference.
 
I'd say we achieved our objectives, and for Iraq, it was to provide them an environment in which a democracy could thrive. It's not our responsibility to run their governments. Unless we wanted to have a true imperialist attitude and actually start annexing some of these places and putting them under our rule. That's the only way people in that part of the world won't start up killing one another.

Democracy is more evolutionary than revolutionary. In the U.S. we seem to have forgotten that, ignored it or maybe we never really understood it.

Iran wasn't/isn't ready, nor is Afghanistan.
 
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