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    Re: Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    So Amos and other brass have always been accepting of their subordinates down the chain of command openly criticizing them in public?
    If they feel the security of their country was at stake, why not? Is Obama's dignity supposed to come first?

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    Re: Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If they feel the security of their country was at stake, why not? Is Obama's dignity supposed to come first?
    Isn't that what Snowden said?











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    Re: Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Would you classify them as wins? The Islamists certainly look at them as defeats and point to them as examples of American weakness.
    I'd say we achieved our objectives, and for Iraq, it was to provide them an environment in which a democracy could thrive. It's not our responsibility to run their governments. Unless we wanted to have a true imperialist attitude and actually start annexing some of these places and putting them under our rule. That's the only way people in that part of the world won't start up killing one another.

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    Re: Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If they feel the security of their country was at stake, why not? Is Obama's dignity supposed to come first?
    It has less to do with a single man's dignity, and more for the institution that it represents and there is a difference.

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    Re: Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I'd say we achieved our objectives, and for Iraq, it was to provide them an environment in which a democracy could thrive. It's not our responsibility to run their governments. Unless we wanted to have a true imperialist attitude and actually start annexing some of these places and putting them under our rule. That's the only way people in that part of the world won't start up killing one another.
    Democracy is more evolutionary than revolutionary. In the U.S. we seem to have forgotten that, ignored it or maybe we never really understood it.

    Iran wasn't/isn't ready, nor is Afghanistan.










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    Re: Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You got to love this guy, he tells it like it is......we should have more senior officers like him..........


    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/top-ma...191600744.html
    He is in the fight, we've expanded our wars and violence immensely. This is infinity way NP, this is what it looks like.
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    Re: Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Democracy is more evolutionary than revolutionary. In the U.S. we seem to have forgotten that, ignored it or maybe we never really understood it.

    Iran wasn't/isn't ready, nor is Afghanistan.
    The US had a revolution, and afterwards the US had a "Democracy". Now it's true that over time it evolves, but a lot of governments have to start with violence.

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    Re: Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The American people wisely want nothing to do with war in the Middle East. Lets keep it that way. The military is often like a kid who simply has toys they want to play with. One way to avoid that is not keep giving them so many new toys.
    Dunno. I keep thinking of Colin Powell who was the last guy who wanted to get involved in Iraq the first time around. And I also think of a certain Secretary of State - Madeline Albright - who once say somthing along the lines of "what do we have this great miliary for if we aren't going to use it".

    I think by and large the general staff and admiralty aren't bloodthirsty. They want to get the job done but I honestly don't think they really relish the idea of getting their own people killed.

    Amos was out of line though. You do not criticize your boss in public. That doesn't work in the civilian world and it certainly shouldn't work in the military. If he wasn't retiring he'd deserve to be fired.
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    Re: Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    The US had a revolution, and afterwards the US had a "Democracy". Now it's true that over time it evolves, but a lot of governments have to start with violence.
    Indeed. But democracy is a process, as it must come UP from the people, rather than DOWN on a people by being imposed on a nation by another government.










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    Re: Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    Bush's mistake wasn't invading. Iraq was like Vietnam as far as thorns in our side. Except we had the military to crush Saddam and forever rid the world of a monster. The Iraqi people wouldn't go back to that life like black people wouldn't go back to slavery.
    Bush's mistake was in not enforcing the idea that the undertaking would be something along the lines of post-WW2 Japan and Germany. we would have to stay for DECADES, not years, to pacify that country and build a stable foundation. Liberals were just salivating form day 1 to get the hell out of there, no matter the long term consequences. He should have been honest and readied the people for the long trudge ahead. Instead he made it easier for the snake oil libs to come in at the first opportunity and and tear the entire operation down, piece by piece. but as long as they are deemed "right" at the end of the story, what the hell do they care. Someone else will deal with the chaotic fallout.
    Its funny watching you bash liberals in the same paragraph where you quote liberal talking points that were being said before the war. Liberals told your boys that it would be a very long rebuild. It was Cheney saying that wed be greeted as liberators and that it would take only weeks, not months while McCain was saying that this would all be so easy because there was no history of sunni vs shi'ite conflicts.

    It was conservatives who screwed the pooch severely on this and now you are in here quoting liberals in hind site and somehow bashing them while ignoring that us liberals are more than a decade ahead of you in being right. Well I for one welcome you to finally seeing the light that you guys ignored for 11 years now.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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