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    Re: Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Having read - and admired - numerous posts of yours on this subject, I believe you.

    To be honest, I came later to the party.

    Back in 2003, I thought the salivation the GW Bush administration clearly had for invading Iraq was creepy...but I was more neutral on it otherwise.

    But I am an investor, so I was caught up in the investment side of life...but by about '06 I finally began to realize (and lose all faith in) government's ability to do the right thing.

    Ever since 9/11 I have seen one cowardly act after another by both administrations in the name of American security...Gitmo, Iraqi Freedom, rendition, propping up corrupt regimes, drone strikes, meddling in the Libyan civil war, NSA spying and so on - it's disgusting.
    Mixed in with the incredible meddling of the Fed and one massive fiscal deficit after another...I now have ZERO faith in the U.S. federal government (or any other for that matter) and I assume whatever they do MUST be wrong until I have unbiased, factual evidence to the contrary.

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    Before Bush, 9/11 and opening of a prison for terrorist, Gitmo was the worst duty station in the Marine Corps and the Navy.

    I knew Marines who would rather do 39 months in Vietnam than 30 days at the Marine Barracks on Gitmo.

    But when Bush opened a prison for captured Al Qaeda and Taliban fighters, soon the Army showed up to run the prison and with the Army came fast food restaurants, all kinds of sporting activities and girls which means sex.

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    Re: Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    When our politicians lie, they just go and past stupid laws ... or don't do anything at all. When their politicians lie, people get killed in brutal fashion. But I suppose that yes, at it's core, politicians do lie. Though, I suspect many in the middle east know just what the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas was all about, and sympathized with them.
    It wasn't the Egyptians who wanted the Muslim Brotherhood, it was the Obama Administration. They replaced a long time American ally (Mubarak) by having him overthrown and replaced by the MB. It's there in the links and has done the US great harm for the years to come.

    Who trusts America anymore?

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    Re: Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Plus pink slips for those in battle. Sending pink slips to a war zone | New York Post

    And over 500 generals have gone since Obama took over.

    This is no accident. Few will want to serve in the United States military again when they know they'll get pink slipped and will, as in Iraq and Afghanistan, have been injured or seen their loved ones die for nothing. It's a modern tragedy on the highest scale.

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    Re: Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It wasn't the Egyptians who wanted the Muslim Brotherhood, it was the Obama Administration. They replaced a long time American ally (Mubarak) by having him overthrown and replaced by the MB. It's there in the links and has done the US great harm for the years to come.

    Who trusts America anymore?
    Do not mistake acceptance for wanting. The Egyptians made their choice and we knew we had to make the best of it. Tell me something, why do think that after all this time, the Obama white house hasn't cut funding to Egypt's military. It's because while they couldn't openly do it, they did support the decision to remove the government.

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    Re: Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Of course people want out from under a dictator but this isn't a black and white situation which you seem to be putting out there. Dictators are oppressive but can create an overall stable respite in a relatively unstable region. Saddam did that for Iraq. Tito did it in Yugoslavia. Nobody wants to be under a dictator but that doesn't mean people want to be in anarchy... especially religious nutjobs fighting in your front yard anarchy.
    Hey, if I had my choice, Saddam would still be in power in Iraq. But that has nothing to do with this situation. The Egyptians didn't just want out from under Mubarak's rule, they wanted Democracy to have a voice and say in what their government will be. Well they got their voice, and they chose radicals to head their government. We'd be better off with Mubarak in charge.

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    Re: Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Hey, if I had my choice, Saddam would still be in power in Iraq. But that has nothing to do with this situation. The Egyptians didn't just want out from under Mubarak's rule, they wanted Democracy to have a voice and say in what their government will be. Well they got their voice, and they chose radicals to head their government. We'd be better off with Mubarak in charge.
    tunisia chose democracy around that same time, and it adopted a constitution this january that is considered to be very progressive.

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    Re: Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    tunisia chose democracy around that same time, and it adopted a constitution this january that is considered to be very progressive.

    BBC News - Tunisia assembly passes new constitution
    They are also the only ones to reject the Islamic hardliners and focus on a Secular government. That isn't something that the other democracies in the middle east are willing to do. Plus, 1 in 5 isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for democracies in the middle east. It's rare for the Arab world, women hold more than 20% of seats in both chambers of parliament. Their Code of Personal Status remains one of the most progressive civil codes in the Middle East and the Muslim world. All that said, the exception doesn't make the rule.

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    Re: Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Hey, if I had my choice, Saddam would still be in power in Iraq. But that has nothing to do with this situation. The Egyptians didn't just want out from under Mubarak's rule, they wanted Democracy to have a voice and say in what their government will be. Well they got their voice, and they chose radicals to head their government. We'd be better off with Mubarak in charge.
    Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi, Assad, dictators to be sure, but forces of stability in the ME. Intentional destabilisation of the region.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

    This isn't really a fight we can win. Anybody who has the talent, vision, or good nature to make Iraq into a better place usually applies that talent into getting out of Iraq and into a more civil and prosperous country. That leaves the terrorists to rule everybody else.
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    Re: Top Marine to Obama: Get in the Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You got to love this guy, he tells it like it is......we should have more senior officers like him..........


    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/top-ma...191600744.html
    Let that "top Marine" run for the Office of Commander-in-Chief, then he'll get to make those decisions. Until then, his job is to do what he's told and stay out of politics. He doesn't know all the facts, anyway, OR have the same interests as everyone else in the country. He has a singular interest which doesn't take into account what's best for others. Sounds like he's chomping at the bits to get into the fight, is all.

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