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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    What about women that smoke during pregnancy? Do other drugs? Drink alcohol?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    I think it's dangerous to label this as an assault. It leaves the door open for other types of charges to be laid on anyone who harms a fetus intentionally or not.

    If you a kill a pregnant woman in a car accident, is 2 counts of vehicular manslaughter or just one?
    If you kill a pregnant woman in self defense, is it one manslaughter charge and one murder charge?
    If a pregnant woman goes to a party, has 2-3 glasses of wine, slips and loses her baby is it criminal negligence?

    Yeah, this is a pretty slippery slope we'll go down if this is considered assault. It's better to simply label it as child endangerment.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Let me tell you a story Pete.

    I had a relationship with a woman back in my 20s who ended up getting pregnant and wanted to give the baby up for adoption.

    She had a meth habit that extended well into the pregnancy. When the baby was born, she has blisters all over her body and several other reactions to the meth use.

    It wasn't an occasional glass of wine or living in unhealthy air quality, it was purposeful. You might be addicted to a substance but, you're fully aware of the fact that you're pregnant and that you are still using.

    Had that law been in effect back then, I would absolutely think she should have been charged.

    FWIW it's not a local law. 38 states have some sort of fetal protection laws on the books.

    Fetal Homicide State Laws

    So let me get this straight because you got a woman pregnant in your 20s...(I noticed the passive voice) who used drugs which means that was part of your culture. And now you are lecturing us. Hmmmmmmmmmm

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    So let me get this straight because you got a woman pregnant in your 20s...(I noticed the passive voice) who used drugs which means that was part of your culture. And now you are lecturing us. Hmmmmmmmmmm
    Why, sure. The voice of the sadder-but-wiser elder is worth paying attention to. Not that anybody ever does; that's the hubris of youth.

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    So let me get this straight because you got a woman pregnant in your 20s...(I noticed the passive voice) who used drugs which means that was part of your culture. And now you are lecturing us. Hmmmmmmmmmm
    Hey if you won't listen to someone who has walked the walk, who will you listen to? Yes I was a user also.

    BTW I don't believe I lecturing anyone...just telling my story.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think it's dangerous to label this as an assault. It leaves the door open for other types of charges to be laid on anyone who harms a fetus intentionally or not.

    If you a kill a pregnant woman in a car accident, is 2 counts of vehicular manslaughter or just one?
    If you kill a pregnant woman in self defense, is it one manslaughter charge and one murder charge?
    If a pregnant woman goes to a party, has 2-3 glasses of wine, slips and loses her baby is it criminal negligence?

    Yeah, this is a pretty slippery slope we'll go down if this is considered assault. It's better to simply label it as child endangerment.
    This all started with the abundance of crack babies.

    Crack Babies: The Worst Threat is Mom Herself

    I think assault charges are appropriate.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Hey if you won't listen to someone who has walked the walk, who will you listen to? Yes I was a user also.
    It takes a person who has come to terms with their addiction to admit something like that on a website. I won't let anybody liberal or conservative attack you over it.

    2 years clean next month.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It takes a person who has come to terms with their addiction to admit something like that on a website. I won't let anybody liberal or conservative attack you over it.

    2 years clean next month.
    Thanks. It hard not to look like an asshole when you're trying to help people not make the same mistakes you made.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Thanks. It hard not to look like an asshole when you're trying to help people not make the same mistakes you made.
    I still don't think it's necessary to escalate it to assault because of the possible ramifications of such a charge. A better measure would be to give a stiffer penalty.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I still don't think it's necessary to escalate it to assault because of the possible ramifications of such a charge. A better measure would be to give a stiffer penalty.
    Do you know what the actual level of assault and penalty are? [I couldn't find it]

    Laws concerning endangerment and cruelty to children are pretty stiff already.
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