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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

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    I know. It's a tough call. I think smoking will eventually be prosecutable anyway, because smokers are so demonized now. Alcohol? Look at the Native American population, and the effects of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. Drinking while pregnant is definitely a problem.

    What is supposed to be done to the mothers who refuse to protect the babies they are carrying? It's opening a door that people don't want opened. I see that. But I also see that somebody has to protect the health of the child she is carrying, if she won't protect it.
    So long as there's abortion, I don't see what one can do legally. The unborn is not a protected class, it's not considered human, it's considered property. How can you assault property? It cannot be property or human depending on how you measure it, it's not an electron.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

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    So long as there's abortion, I don't see what one can do legally. The unborn is not a protected class, it's not considered human, it's considered property. How can you assault property? It cannot be property or human depending on how you measure it, it's not an electron.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

    As someone who takes in babies who have been exposed to meth, cocaine, heroine...etc I say about time!!! These kids end up having lifelong effects and we the taxpayers will be the ones footing the bill for their medical care. Meth( from what I've learned) is the hardest drug to get off of. It's not like they're going to the slammer for years. I believe it's a misdemeanor only punishable for up to a year. Anyway, it should be a crime to medically jack up your child purposefully!

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

    I think prosecuting the mother is good. This will most likely not result in jail for her, but she will be forced into a treatment program, where, hopefully, she can get the monkey off her back.

    Normally, I would say that, as long as she is harming nobody else, what she does is her own business. But in this case, she was harming someone else - Her child. Legally, the courts have found that fetuses do have life after a specific amount of time in the womb - Usually 20 weeks. On that basis, then she has assaulted another person.

    Let me add that, where it comes to drugs, I feel that I can speak with authority, as I am a drug addict. This week I celebrated my 29th year of being drug free, but I will always be an addict. And I know what drugs do.... Firsthand. IMHO, this was a good decision, and it may end up saving the mother's life, as well as the lives of any future children she may have. My bust, in July of 1985, definitely saved my life.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

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    I definitely agree on wanting to get help but this law is in no way helping to 'encourage' a user to get help. More likely babies thrown out/flushed away. Look at getting tough on pot. Only thing it solved was increasing privatized prisons bottom line and razing felon totals. I seriously doubt many quit because of increased penalties and they only 'hurt' themselves. They just became more careful users.

    Additionally, like CJ mentions, where was intervention before she went full term (or did they just wait so they could charge her?)
    I've already addressed where you said this before -- if she doesn't want help, she's not going to get it. There are many places she could have gotten help in Knoxville if she wanted it, but clearly she did not want help. You cannot help an addict until they are ready to be helped.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I think prosecuting the mother is good. This will most likely not result in jail for her, but she will be forced into a treatment program, where, hopefully, she can get the monkey off her back.

    Normally, I would say that, as long as she is harming nobody else, what she does is her own business. But in this case, she was harming someone else - Her child. Legally, the courts have found that fetuses do have life after a specific amount of time in the womb - Usually 20 weeks. On that basis, then she has assaulted another person.

    Let me add that, where it comes to drugs, I feel that I can speak with authority, as I am a drug addict. This week I celebrated my 29th year of being drug free, but I will always be an addict. And I know what drugs do.... Firsthand. IMHO, this was a good decision, and it may end up saving the mother's life, as well as the lives of any future children she may have. My bust, in July of 1985, definitely saved my life.
    Well done, Dana. That's fantastic.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    New Mother Charged With Assault for Using Meth During Pregnancy - NBC News

    My thoughts are, if she hadn't been using illegal drugs to start with, she wouldn't have been arrested.

    And can we talk about the arrest, and not turn this into a pro-life/pro-choice argument?
    My thought is that as long as pregnant women are liable for criminal charges if they carry a fetus to term while addicted to alcohol, drugs, or even tobacco, the abortion rate in such jurisdictions will go way up. The best action would be to set aside appropriations for addicted women who discover they are pregnant to have medical care and rehab facilities available to assist them is controlling the substance abuse to assure a healthy infant.

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

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    My thought is that as long as pregnant women are liable for criminal charges if they carry a fetus to term while addicted to alcohol, drugs, or even tobacco, the abortion rate in such jurisdictions will go way up. The best action would be to set aside appropriations for addicted women who discover they are pregnant to have medical care and rehab facilities available to assist them is controlling the substance abuse to assure a healthy infant.

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    But what if they don't want to go?
    That makes it tough, no doubt about it. There is no way I could ever really accept incarcerating pregnant women solely because their substance abuse may harm the fetus, especially since some substances like alcohol, tobacco, and even marijuana in some areas, are perfectly legal. If they could get free medical care, rehab assistance, they may be more likely to take advantage of it, but if they don't?

    Unless what they are doing would be illegal even if they were not pregnant, I'm very much against them being persecuted simply because they are pregnant.

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    That makes it tough, no doubt about it. There is no way I could ever really accept incarcerating pregnant women solely because their substance abuse may harm the fetus, especially since some substances like alcohol, tobacco, and even marijuana in some areas, are perfectly legal. If they could get free medical care, rehab assistance, they may be more likely to take advantage of it, but if they don't?

    Unless what they are doing would be illegal even if they were not pregnant, I'm very much against them being persecuted simply because they are pregnant.
    Right. Who knows - meth is illegal, so maybe they popped her because of that? I have to wonder if she'd drank wine while pregnant, or smoked a joint while pregnant, if she would have been arrested.
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