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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

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    Did you really say that??
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

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    The baby she was carrying.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Is this new mother a regular meth user? Any evidence of this?
    Yes, there is. My curiosity was piqued by the photo at the OP's ABC link. Part of the image was obscured by text, but I saw the sore at the edge of her forehead and wanted to see the complete image. Mallory Loyola looks like a meth-head.

    ABC national picked up the story from an affiliate. Loyala has a history of "meth-related arrests." Monroe County arrests mother of drug-positive infant under new l

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by MACS-24 View Post
    Thanks. I saw that but what bothered me is: the law; A woman may be prosecuted for assault for the illegal use of a narcotic drug while pregnant, if her child is born addicted to or harmed by the narcotic drug, Are they going to hold her until there is proof of addiction to the baby and where is the proof of harm? It's right after birth. It just says tested positive - nothing about addiction or harm. The law seems to charge and imprison people for what might happen before it is shown to have happened.

    Don't get me wrong. Every thing about Meth is wrong and bad. That's the consequence of the failed "war on drugs" But is this a new way around due process in the name of profit?
    Personally, I don't see this, at all, as a way around due process. I think it has everything to do with protecting the life of this baby. It's quite simple, really. If people don't want to be arrested, don't use meth while you are pregnant. Easy, peasy. Obviously they aren't compelled to stop using for, oh, I don't know, protecting their child. Maybe they can be compelled to stop using if a jail sentence and removal of the child from the home is held over their heads.

    Actually, removal of the child from the home would be ideal for the child.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Personally, I don't see this, at all, as a way around due process. I think it has everything to do with protecting the life of this baby. It's quite simple, really. If people don't want to be arrested, don't use meth while you are pregnant. Easy, peasy. Obviously they aren't compelled to stop using for, oh, I don't know, protecting their child. Maybe they can be compelled to stop using if a jail sentence and removal of the child from the home is held over their heads.

    Actually, removal of the child from the home would be ideal for the child.
    Okay, who ordered the test and why? Is it because she had given birth. Does given birth now automatically give consent to search and seizure? If they "asked" for permission, was it while she was heavily doped up (legally) for delivery (of sound mind)? If permission is before hand, that's a trap. She has to deliver. That's the problem I have.

    If they can't make a wise choice to stay away from meth to begin with they certainly won't figure in the possibility of becoming pregnant.

    Meth is bad. Let's try to help the women First then deal with possible pregnancies. For this it's 'let's wait until she has a baby then we will intervene'. More damage is done by this method.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by MACS-24 View Post
    Okay, who ordered the test and why? Is it because she had given birth. Does given birth now automatically give consent to search and seizure? If they "asked" for permission, was it while she was heavily doped up (legally) for delivery (of sound mind)? If permission is before hand, that's a trap. She has to deliver. That's the problem I have.

    If they can't make a wise choice to stay away from meth to begin with they certainly won't figure in the possibility of becoming pregnant.

    Meth is bad. Let's try to help the women First then deal with possible pregnancies. For this it's 'let's wait until she has a baby then we will intervene'. More damage is done by this method.
    I somewhat agree with you, that women (everyone, really) need help with addiction. Thing is, there are places out there that help. You have to want help, though, to get it. There are scores of addiction counselors in Knoxville, and she could have gotten help there, if she wanted it. But you can't force someone to get help, even if they are pregnant. You can only threaten them with incarceration if they continue down the path they are on. She chose to go down the path she was on, and now she is paying the penalty for it, and it's possible that the baby is as well.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    New Mother Charged With Assault for Using Meth During Pregnancy - NBC News

    My thoughts are, if she hadn't been using illegal drugs to start with, she wouldn't have been arrested.

    And can we talk about the arrest, and not turn this into a pro-life/pro-choice argument?
    It makes sense, it's pretty damaging. However, essentially you opened the door for prosecuting pregnant women for drinking or smoking or eating poorly, etc.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It makes sense, it's pretty damaging. However, essentially you opened the door for prosecuting pregnant women for drinking or smoking or eating poorly, etc.
    I know. It's a tough call. I think smoking will eventually be prosecutable anyway, because smokers are so demonized now. Alcohol? Look at the Native American population, and the effects of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. Drinking while pregnant is definitely a problem.

    What is supposed to be done to the mothers who refuse to protect the babies they are carrying? It's opening a door that people don't want opened. I see that. But I also see that somebody has to protect the health of the child she is carrying, if she won't protect it.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    New Mother Charged With Assault for Using Meth During Pregnancy - NBC News

    My thoughts are, if she hadn't been using illegal drugs to start with, she wouldn't have been arrested.

    And can we talk about the arrest, and not turn this into a pro-life/pro-choice argument?
    I'm not in any way a bleeding heart liberal, but I fail to see any rationale or benefit to charging a meth addict with assault on a child she just gave birth to. A meth addict doesn't choose a meth addiction as a means to assault her developing child - this woman cannot be proven guilty, in my view, of rationally knowing that her addiction was going to harm her child. An addict's brain does not make those upper level brain decisions when desperate for a fix.

    Since she gave birth to the child, I'd like to know how she managed to carry the child to term without anyone actually knowing she was pregnant and if there was medical care involved, even if just some kind of street clinic, those medical professionals should have had her swept off the street and into a facility to ensure the child she was carrying couldn't be further harmed.

    Bottom line, for me - get the child all the care and support he/she needs and get the mom some help, if she wants it, but she gets nowhere near the child again until such time as her life has turned around, if it can be.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I somewhat agree with you, that women (everyone, really) need help with addiction. Thing is, there are places out there that help. You have to want help, though, to get it. There are scores of addiction counselors in Knoxville, and she could have gotten help there, if she wanted it. But you can't force someone to get help, even if they are pregnant. You can only threaten them with incarceration if they continue down the path they are on. She chose to go down the path she was on, and now she is paying the penalty for it, and it's possible that the baby is as well.
    I definitely agree on wanting to get help but this law is in no way helping to 'encourage' a user to get help. More likely babies thrown out/flushed away. Look at getting tough on pot. Only thing it solved was increasing privatized prisons bottom line and razing felon totals. I seriously doubt many quit because of increased penalties and they only 'hurt' themselves. They just became more careful users.

    Additionally, like CJ mentions, where was intervention before she went full term (or did they just wait so they could charge her?)
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