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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Let me tell you a story Pete.

    I had a relationship with a woman back in my 20s who ended up getting pregnant and wanted to give the baby up for adoption.

    She had a meth habit that extended well into the pregnancy. When the baby was born, she has blisters all over her body and several other reactions to the meth use.

    It wasn't an occasional glass of wine or living in unhealthy air quality, it was purposeful. You might be addicted to a substance but, you're fully aware of the fact that you're pregnant and that you are still using.

    Had that law been in effect back then, I would absolutely think she should have been charged.

    FWIW it's not a local law. 38 states have some sort of fetal protection laws on the books.

    Fetal Homicide State Laws
    Arguably, you should have been charged for knowingly having sex with a drug addict. How is your child doing now?

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

    National Advocates for Pregnant Women said as a result of Loyola’s arrest, the group has already received calls from pregnant women “paralyzed with fear” from seeking prenatal care because they don’t want to risk getting arrested.

    In a letter to Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam, urging him to veto the law, The ACLU pointed out that the American Academy of Pediatrics has founded, “punitive measures taken toward pregnant women, such as criminal prosecution and incarceration, have no proven benefits for infant health.”

    “By focusing on punishing women rather than promoting healthy pregnancies, the state is only deterring women struggling with alcohol or drug dependency from seeking the pre-natal care they need,” said Thomas H. Castelli, legal director of the Tennessee ACLU in response to Loyola’s arrest. "

    New Mother Charged With Assault for Using Meth During Pregnancy - NBC News

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    One could do a masters thesis on behavior patterns associated with different methods of ingestion. You can identify how someone uses it by their behavior.
    Yeah. Bumping for example. Ive known a few...and...no. Just...no.

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    You just can't come up with anything relevant can you?
    I did, many times.

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Arguably, you should have been charged for knowingly having sex with a drug addict. How is your child doing now?
    What? Um, that aint illegal anywhere.

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    I guess YOU don't need anything to judge really, just your own prejudice...
    Now who's playing ignorant. I didn't judge her, the law did.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Arguably, you should have been charged for knowingly having sex with a drug addict. How is your child doing now?
    Please quote that law to me when you find it. 8) FWIW, we were both doing meth at the time.

    I haven't ever had contact with her. (I signed my rights away) The birth mother did seek her out when she was about 15 (and pregnant) 'arguably' giving us our first grandchild.

    The young lady has my phone number but, has never called.

    My current Wife and I have 2 daughters, two grandchildren and one on the way.
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Arguably, you should have been charged for knowingly having sex with a drug addict. How is your child doing now?
    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    What? Um, that aint illegal anywhere.
    Not yet.

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    This is a really good point. Every miscarriage could become a murder investigation.


    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Is this new mother a regular meth user? Any evidence of this?

    But my point is that these laws are scary as hell and have been abused by prosecutors looking for reelection. Case in point.. Rennie Gibbs. Charged with 1. degree murder after losing her baby to a still birth in the 36th week. The cops found out that she used cocaine.. once while pregnant. There was no link between that and the death of the baby, but 4 years after the tragic still birth, she was arrested and charged with murder. It took 4 years on top of that for the case to be thrown out... And this is not the only example.

    These laws are leading down the road to El Salvador like laws that put women in prison for miss-carriages. Is that what you want? That any environmental aspect can basically make a pregnant woman a criminal if she has a miss-carriage?

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    I agree. This is a tough issue, but drug addicted people are addicts. Addicts don't care if they go to prison, live on the streets, are exposed to diseases, or even die. We can't expect them to straighten up once they are pregnant for fear they will be prosecuted.

    If the policy makers really cared about practical results, they would be going about the issue in a different manner.



    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I know. It's a tough call. I think smoking will eventually be prosecutable anyway, because smokers are so demonized now. Alcohol? Look at the Native American population, and the effects of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. Drinking while pregnant is definitely a problem.

    What is supposed to be done to the mothers who refuse to protect the babies they are carrying? It's opening a door that people don't want opened. I see that. But I also see that somebody has to protect the health of the child she is carrying, if she won't protect it.

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