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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    It might be of benefit to know the physiological impact meth use has on the brain or that meth addicted individuals dont suddenly make responsible choices because they are pregnant.

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    No excuses...but reasons.

    That's right, they're mentally ill when using. And we wonder why mentally ill people make bad decisions. Or we tell mentally ill people, "Heal thyself!" Gosh, can't figure out why that fails so often....

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    What you don't seem to get is no one is arguing with you about that or defending the "POS" woman, pregnant, with a needle in her arm.

    The question is what to do about that woman. We arrest drug users and dealers, fill up the jails, spend $25k/year housing them, and what do you see next time you go to the shooting gallery? A bunch of drug users, probably a bunch of them that have made the round trip to jail, back to the streets and back on drugs. Same with the dealers. So that approach seems to be working out great, if you've got an interest in jails and make more money when they're full, but not so great for the rest of society.

    But sure, if you see a pregnant woman on drugs, run her in and keep her locked up and clean till she gives birth. No one suggests forgiving her sins and letting her continue to use while pregnant. But if you tell her, "come in and get some prenatal care, and if you have drugs in your system you'll be charged with manslaughter, your baby put in foster care or up for adoption, and you'll spend 5-10 years in jail," do you think she'll come in? Not likely.

    The only thing I'd like to see is a little of that 25k/year spent housing addicts get diverted to treatment and maybe you'll get a few women cleaned up and next time they get pregnant they won't be using during it, and those with kids will be able to take care of them instead of taxpayers doing it. Or we can build some more prisons and extend our lead as NUMBER ONE!! in the world in prison population, both in nominal numbers and per capita. "Working great, especially with drugs, so why not continue it," says the for profit prison industry.
    I said what to do about it, but ya'll didn't like that either. Jail her, charger her with attempted manslaughter. That is what "I" would do.

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I said what to do about it, but ya'll didn't like that either. Jail her, charger her with attempted manslaughter. That is what "I" would do.
    Yeah, I get it. It's failed miserably as an approach to drug addiction, and for a few decades now, but if we just double down on that strategy, it's sure to work out eventually. The prison industry agrees with you.

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There is no viable reason to use, period. Ever. You cant honestly believe that meth addicts sit back thinking "MAN...I love this stuff and what it does to my skin, teeth, hair, fingernails, esteem, overall health, capacity for reasoned thought, etc. Meth is AWESOME!"

    There is a reason why they call it 'addiction'.
    Meth is an evil bitch.

    The problem is it DOES make you "better". For a little while. Then you get worse and worse, but the drug tells you're still better.

    Great for say disaster workers. 110% for a couple days when you're filling sandbags or digging in rubble for survivors. (Or running all the way home when you crash your fighter jet).

    But used recreationally it gets everybody eventually
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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I said what to do about it, but ya'll didn't like that either. Jail her, charger her with attempted manslaughter. That is what "I" would do.
    This isnt an abortion argument, but how are you going to charge her for attempted manslaughter when it is legal for her to just straight up kill the unborn child? Are you going to make cut-offs? Its only illegal in the last trimester and NOT during the earlier and more formative months of the unborn childs developmental stages?

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    New Mother Charged With Assault for Using Meth During Pregnancy - NBC News

    My thoughts are, if she hadn't been using illegal drugs to start with, she wouldn't have been arrested.

    And can we talk about the arrest, and not turn this into a pro-life/pro-choice argument?
    That has nothing to do with pro-choice. That is even worse than smoking and drinking, when you are pregnant.

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Meth is an evil bitch.

    The problem is it DOES make you "better". For a little while. Then you get worse and worse, but the drug tells you're still better.

    Great for say disaster workers. 110% for a couple days when you're filling sandbags or digging in rubble for survivors. (Or running all the way home when you crash your fighter jet).

    But used recreationally it gets everybody eventually
    Prescription pill meth taken orally is generally safe (though I have had some interesting conversations with A-10 pilots amped up at 3 AM on preflight). Once you get to crushing it, snorting it, smoking it, and shooting it...well...its a whole new ballgame. Crystal meth...thats a different beast right out of the gates.

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    This isnt an abortion argument, but how are you going to charge her for attempted manslaughter when it is legal for her to just straight up kill the unborn child? Are you going to make cut-offs? Its only illegal in the last trimester and NOT during the earlier and more formative months of the unborn childs developmental stages?
    Where did I say abortion, other than many of you are so for abortion that killing an unborn due to drug use is no biggie.

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Where did I say abortion, other than many of you are so for abortion that killing an unborn due to drug use is no biggie.
    I am merely pointing out it is a rather difficult sell to promote the charge of attempted manslaughter for drug use while pregnant when intentional slaughter is legal and not at all rare. I think it would be hard to convict someone in that circumstance.

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    Re: New Mother Charged with Assault for using Meth during Pregnancy[W:8]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Prescription pill meth taken orally is generally safe (though I have had some interesting conversations with A-10 pilots amped up at 3 AM on preflight). Once you get to crushing it, snorting it, smoking it, and shooting it...well...its a whole new ballgame. Crystal meth...thats a different beast right out of the gates.
    One could do a masters thesis on behavior patterns associated with different methods of ingestion. You can identify how someone uses it by their behavior.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
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