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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    To the best of my knowledge, the army investigation is still ongoing(and contrary to what some think, yes, the army is in his chain of command). Until the investigation is done, or at least far enough along to make a firm accusation of wrongdoing, he is still a soldier, and still going to be treated as such. That means putting him back to work is not surprising, nor is it some kind of conspiracy. Those suggestions are just stupid.
    This post makes no suggestion of whether or not he will be charged, or if it's right for him to be or not be charged, so I've go no disagreements with you. However that sets your post apart not just from many of those responding, but from the op as well

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    failure to salute is certainly a "crime" punishable by NJP.... but that's generally only if it's a recurring problem.

    an officer failing to return a salute is also an offense punishable by NJP ( yes, officers get article 15's as well)


    if we were to compare civilian law with UCMJ..... NJP would not be considered a trial.. it would be the sentencing hearing.

    if you want a trial, and a lawyer.. just deny the NJP and request a court martial.... it's as easy as that.
    I never had any Article 15's.

    I remember when ANGLICO's Top Kick showed at Camp Carrol and while going over my SRB he said "What kind of Marine our you, no Article 15's. ! Chesty Puller is probably rolling over his grave."

    I just responded to the Top, "I learned how the system works and haven't been caught."

    Never had to burn **** and during my entire tour of duty in the crotch I never pulled mess duty.

    It was Article 134, CATCH-22 that you had to be careful of.

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post

    if we were to compare civilian law with UCMJ..... NJP would not be considered a trial.. it would be the sentencing hearing.
    The closest comparison would probably be a civil hearing.
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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I never had any Article 15's.

    I remember when ANGLICO's Top Kick showed at Camp Carrol and while going over my SRB he said "What kind of Marine our you, no Article 15's. ! Chesty Puller is probably rolling over his grave."

    I just responded to the Top, "I learned how the system works and haven't been caught."

    Never had to burn **** and during my entire tour of duty in the crotch I never pulled mess duty.

    It was Article 134, CATCH-22 that you had to be careful of.
    I've had 7 Office Hours...getting caught has never bothered me... hell, I didn't get my first good cookie until I had 9 years in.
    i'm first and foremost a field Marine, I do not play well with others while in garrison.
    6 of the 7 articles 15's involved drinking and fighting other servicemembers( not Marines)... the 7th was for UA, because I was arrested off base while drinking and fighting.

    and it's true that old salts don't trust water-walkers.. like my old first shirt used to say " if you ain't ****ing up, you ain't trying hard enough".

    in Todays Corps, i'd never be allowed to reenlist even once..... and i'm not sure I would want to either.

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The closest comparison would probably be a civil hearing.
    eh.. not really... the CO has predetermined guilt before you ever walk through the door.. if he allows you to plead your case, it's just a courtesy.. or he's trying to flesh out your character ( if you lie, you'll get more punishment... if you're upfront, you'll get less)...(more often than not, the CO told me to shut up when i tried to explain why i did it)

    in a civil hearing, your guilt isn't predetermined.

    but overall... there's really no civilian equivalent.

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I've had 7 Office Hours...getting caught has never bothered me... hell, I didn't get my first good cookie until I had 9 years in.
    i'm first and foremost a field Marine, I do not play well with others while in garrison.
    6 of the 7 articles 15's involved drinking and fighting other servicemembers( not Marines)... the 7th was for UA, because I was arrested off base while drinking and fighting.

    and it's true that old salts don't trust water-walkers.. like my old first shirt used to say " if you ain't ****ing up, you ain't trying hard enough".

    in Todays Corps, i'd never be allowed to reenlist even once..... and i'm not sure I would want to either.
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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You haven't seen any evidence yet. Fellow soldiers have made claims.!
    Hello. That is evidence.

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    He will receive about $350,000 in back pay.

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Hello. That is evidence.
    Even the army isn't accepting that as evidence. Thus they investigate. As I pointed out, some fellow soldiers could have motive to throw him under the bus for his political views.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Even the army isn't accepting that as evidence. Thus they investigate. As I pointed out, some fellow soldiers could have motive to throw him under the bus for his political views.
    The Army isn't going to prosecute him for political reasons. This will probably be the first time in history that desertion wasn't prosecuted. But it is still evidence no matter who accepts it or not.

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