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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Considering that there are a number of his fellow servicemen claiming he went AWOL (even though they have potential motive, which may or may not have been acted upon) an investigation is necessary. And if you are correct and there is no investigation, then I agree with you and will be angry with you. However, I suspect that if an investigation brought him exoneration, you wouldn't accept that either.
    I would have no choice but to accept it. However, I understand how government works and I believe very little of what government says. I believe nothing of what it says when there is politics involved. There won't be a court martial. Bet on it.

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    I would have no choice but to accept it. However, I understand how government works and I believe very little of what government says. I believe nothing of what it says when there is politics involved. There won't be a court martial. Bet on it.
    I totally get your cynicism, I really do. What is weird here is that Montecresto can't actually explain his "motive" argument. He has no grasp of the actual timeline and to whom and where it is that Bergdahl shared his views on the military. And clearly he is not going to acquaint himself with the facts of the matter either. So he just repeats himself over and over again. Similar to how he keeps referring to the non existent call to deny Bergdahl his day in court and deny him due process. Now the fact that not a single poster in this thread has done this really does not matter to Monetcresto. It is stupid, it is dishonest, but then that is what this poster chooses to demonstrate about himself and his obtuse argument. If such idiocy can be called an argument.

    In any case, it will be interesting to see what does shake out from this investigation and if in fact there will be any charges brought against Bergdahl. Hopefully your cynical take on this will be proven wrong, but I must admit that I am not altogether sure you are not correct. Time will tell!
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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    I would have no choice but to accept it. However, I understand how government works and I believe very little of what government says. I believe nothing of what it says when there is politics involved. There won't be a court martial. Bet on it.
    I would not make such a bet because if an investigation exonerates him, there SHOULDN'T be a court martial. I agree with your sentiments on government, if you are speaking in general, meaning regardless of what party is in power. Are you, or are you just talking about democratically controlled government?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    It's been explained quite well, but comprehension is a personal issue.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's been explained quite well, but comprehension is a personal issue.
    Coming from a poster who has imagined arguments from posters in this thread that simply have not been made and don't exist? Comprehension posturing might be all you have left, but in effect you've got nada. Must be something odd in the water where you live. Who knows what the "excuse" is, it is just plain strange behavior, but behavior that is par for the course at internet message boards. Bravo Montecresto, you can post strawmen positions and made up arguments that don't actually exist! Ya just never see that on the internet!

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Yes comparing the 5 Taliban to Goering and Himmler is a bit of a stretch, at least in the capabilities of those two had compared to what these 5 have/had. But the desired point is there. I and others have the feeling the threat assessment on these 5 was not either done or totally ignored. There may have been political reason for that, I do not know. The good news surrounding the release of Bergdahl to over shadow all the bad news coming out at the time. But after all these years, I am nothing more than an old cynic.

    The surrounding circumstance of these 5 capture has never been addressed that I know of. Whether bounty, a raid, or being captured on the battlefield, I suppose on has to take his best guess. The bounty situation was never addressed at any of the meeting I attended.

    Yeah, ironies occur all the time in war and in geopolitics in general. Today’s friend becomes tomorrows enemy and vice versa. One has to look no farther than Iraq to see that today. We are trying to overthrow Assad, and yet Assad is on our side fighting ISIS or IS in Iraq to help store up Maliki and the government we installed. Talk about Irony and then throw in Iran as helping too.

    Super heroes no, but those 5 were received as such by the Taliban and their followers. The Taliban Commander we let loose has already stated he is headed back to the battlefield to do what damage he can, whether to us, our allies or the Afghan people. Sometimes technology and better training can be overcome with higher moral and determination. This has been proven time and time again throughout history. There are many ways to fight a superior enemy with much more firepower, head on charges never work. But there are many ways to sap the will and moral of your enemy. You also do not need to defeat them in battle either, that is if you make time your ally instead of your enemy.

    It is true these 5 put their pants on the same as us, but so too did Genghis Kahn, Himmler, Hitler, Stalin, Giap, Pol Pot, etc.
    I'll bet you that my Cynicism Index is a higher number than yours.

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I would not make such a bet because if an investigation exonerates him, there SHOULDN'T be a court martial. I agree with your sentiments on government, if you are speaking in general, meaning regardless of what party is in power. Are you, or are you just talking about democratically controlled government?
    I'm not a partisan. I view all political parties as evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    I'm not a partisan. I view all political parties as evil.
    Well then you and I really have no disagreement.
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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

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    Re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Excellent analogy about this being a book we are currently reading, and don't yet know how it ends. However, I haven't read about any terrorists being known as cocky braggarts - they usually mean what they threaten to do! That's bad news, because they really do hate us.
    They do tend to keep a low profile. but they also tend to say exactly what they mean.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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