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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    Hey buddy, literally everyone in the thread is a fan of it. Except you, you know you? The guy contradicting himself every other post? The guy who screams due process in the face of a crowd who already are fans of the principal. Whereas you? While screaming "due process" like an idiot, extend nothing even approaching the concept of due process with regard to Bergdahl's fellow company members. Not only are they all part of a conspiracy to defraud Bergdahl of his day in court, they have motive to do so. Well if you just keep things really stupid that is. And you are doing a bang up job of it too! Bravo.
    Sometimes you can only make things so clear. Thankfully you aren't in charge of Bergdahl's fate, or anything for that matter.
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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So a bunch of retired vets that have "fought for our freedoms" wishing to deny Bergdahl due process, have already decided he's guilty and should be court martialed and or dishonourably discharged!
    Take it however you want, but at least a third of our membership is active duty. Now how plainly do I have to state this isn't so much about Bergdahl as about the 5 hard core that were released. The conscientious was if 5 fighters were released for Bergdahl no big deal. Heck release 20 normal soldiers, enlisted, fighters, etc and no one would have thought anything about it. everyone probably would have stood up and cheered. But releasing 5 hard core leaders, at least one with a general's rank if not three of them for one PFC does not cut it.

    For those attendees, this isn't about Bergdahl although that seems to escape you. It is about having to do your job twice, putting how many people in harms way to capture these guys in the first place, who knows how many were killed, injured, harmed in doing so which gets no attention what so ever. Then now having increased the risk, the danger to our fellow military still in Afghanistan, to our allies and to the Afghan people, we will probably have to try to capture or kill these guys once again and who knows what these guys can and will do in-between.
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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Sometimes you can only make things so clear. Thankfully you aren't in charge of Bergdahl's fate, or anything for that matter.
    Things have been crystal clear for a day or so now. Like the way you dodged and ran, offering ad homs instead, from obvious problems with your increasingly contradictory posturing. Obviously you are a big fan of poorly written legal mellow dramas. Which is how you arrived at your idiotic conspiracy theory that Bergdahl's fellow company members threw him under the bus. Sadly for you, due process is likely to make as big a monkey of your brain dead imaginary bus as you have.

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Meadowlark View Post
    You hit the nail on the head, well done.



    I believe this is what the administration wants the public to focus on, he is one of us.



    This is what the administration wants us to over looks and forget, but intelligent concerned people will never forget. They know what potential harm can become of this trade deal.
    Finally someone who understands. Bergdahl could be Joe Snuffy, he is unimportant to the overall scheme of things. It is the 5 released hard core Taliban leaders. Bergdahl can do us no harm, but the 5 released Taliban certainly can. I would love to read the threat assessment on the 5 released Taliban leaders.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Take it however you want, but at least a third of our membership is active duty. Now how plainly do I have to state this isn't so much about Bergdahl as about the 5 hard core that were released. The conscientious was if 5 fighters were released for Bergdahl no big deal. Heck release 20 normal soldiers, enlisted, fighters, etc and no one would have thought anything about it. everyone probably would have stood up and cheered. But releasing 5 hard core leaders, at least one with a general's rank if not three of them for one PFC does not cut it.

    For those attendees, this isn't about Bergdahl although that seems to escape you. It is about having to do your job twice, putting how many people in harms way to capture these guys in the first place, who knows how many were killed, injured, harmed in doing so which gets no attention what so ever. Then now having increased the risk, the danger to our fellow military still in Afghanistan, to our allies and to the Afghan people, we will probably have to try to capture or kill these guys once again and who knows what these guys can and will do in-between.
    Oh yeah, I get your point about the price tag for his release and the angst about that. However some of those boys have been setting down in Gitmo since the beginning, some were renditioned, few of them ever had any due process, just CIC's word that they were enemy combatants. At any rate, soldiers tend to lean conservative and like precious little about this president.
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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh yeah, I get your point about the price tag for his release and the angst about that. However some of those boys have been setting down in Gitmo since the beginning, some were renditioned, few of them ever had any due process, just CIC's word that they were enemy combatants. At any rate, soldiers tend to lean conservative and like precious little about this president.
    Hey Perotista, did you know that Montecresto gets your "point"? Which was about how the poor inmates at Gitmo never had any due process and soliders lean conservative! Next thing you know your "point" will have also morphed into an abjectly stupefied diatribe about how soldiers have "motives" to throw not only Bergdahl, but Gitmo detainees under da bus!

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh yeah, I get your point about the price tag for his release and the angst about that. However some of those boys have been setting down in Gitmo since the beginning, some were renditioned, few of them ever had any due process, just CIC's word that they were enemy combatants. At any rate, soldiers tend to lean conservative and like precious little about this president.
    It is about the 5 released Taliban leaders that can do us, our allies and the Afghan people harm. I can't speak for the rest who attended the meetings, but for me I do not care what they do with the non-leaders. Hold them, set them free, do whatever. They are no consequence to this situation. They are the subject of another thread for another time and another day. There is one fact though, of all those released from Gitmo, 30% of them have returned to the battlefield. At least that is the figure that is being reported. That figure is high enough to give those still remaining a double checking and a more through investigation.

    Perhaps if there were more prisoners held by the Taliban one could exchange those non-leaders for them. But the Taliban really do not take prisoners. I really would have no objections for them being used to trade the Taliban for Afghan prisoners if the Taliban held them. But not their leaders, their generals and commanders. No way, we are just asking for repeats here.
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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    Things have been crystal clear for a day or so now. Like the way you dodged and ran, offering ad homs instead, from obvious problems with your increasingly contradictory posturing. Obviously you are a big fan of poorly written legal mellow dramas. Which is how you arrived at your idiotic conspiracy theory that Bergdahl's fellow company members threw him under the bus. Sadly for you, due process is likely to make as big a monkey of your brain dead imaginary bus as you have.
    "Motive" is not conviction. I don't think you know much about the legal process.
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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It is about the 5 released Taliban leaders that can do us, our allies and the Afghan people harm. I can't speak for the rest who attended the meetings, but for me I do not care what they do with the non-leaders. Hold them, set them free, do whatever. They are no consequence to this situation. They are the subject of another thread for another time and another day. There is one fact though, of all those released from Gitmo, 30% of them have returned to the battlefield. At least that is the figure that is being reported. That figure is high enough to give those still remaining a double checking and a more through investigation.

    Perhaps if there were more prisoners held by the Taliban one could exchange those non-leaders for them. But the Taliban really do not take prisoners. I really would have no objections for them being used to trade the Taliban for Afghan prisoners if the Taliban held them. But not their leaders, their generals and commanders. No way, we are just asking for repeats here.
    If indeed they were/are leaders, I agree with you. But I don't think I'll ever know that.
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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Morning Pol, I really do not know. For every prisoner we have a threat assessment done on them. Some take longer than others. But you can bet on was done on all the hard core leaders. I really wonder if these were looked at and if so, totally ignored. Could the desire for some good news to over ride all the bad at the time, IRS, NSA, VA overcome common sense or did the president just receive some very bad advise. I do not know.

    If this were a book, Bergdahl would be a minor character. A character that makes his appearance in the beginning as a reason for the release of the 5 Taliban hard core leaders to include a commander which is the equivalent of a general. The rest of the book would be about the exploits these 5 do and Bergdahl would not make another appearance until perhaps the epilogue to let the reader know what happened to him. I am sure what we have seen so far is only the first chapter, more chapters to come.
    Excellent analogy about this being a book we are currently reading, and don't yet know how it ends. However, I haven't read about any terrorists being known as cocky braggarts - they usually mean what they threaten to do! That's bad news, because they really do hate us.

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