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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    What I find strange is that so much emphasis is being put on Bergdahl himself by most of the posters in this thread. From my last two American Legion meetings and a VFW one, the emphasis is on whom was released and not on Bergdahl. Among these retired and active duty veterans, the fate of Bergdahl is divided between those who want a court martial to either clear him or convict him, those who want him just discharged thinking he has suffered enough and those who go along with the discharge as long as it is a dishonorable one.

    But most vets at all three meetings were against the swap, one does not increase the risks, the dangers to your fellow soldiers, to our allies, to the Afghan people the military was charged with protecting by releasing and swapping 5 hard core Taliban leaders which will surely come back and bite us and our allies in the butt. The focus is on these 5 by the American Legion and the VFW members, not Bergdahl. The name of the soldier is irrelevant. This is viewed akin to having Himmler and Goering in our POW camp and releasing/swapping them for the release of a single enlisted man. It is against military protocol and the standards ingrained in the military to do something like this regardless of how much you want our man back. It all goes to what these 5 released hard core Taliban leaders will likely do, the fact their released has increased the dangers to American military, their allies, to the Afghan people of having more of them die, being wounded, being kidnapped for more prisoner releases.

    Perhaps the focus is on Bergdahl for the civilian sector, not he is just a minor player in the military one, it is the release of the 5 hard core Taliban leaders that worry us. Then too what hasnít been addressed is how soldiers lost their lives or were wounded, how many Afghan military were killed in apprehending these 5 to begin with. Apparently they do not count as soon those still over in Afghanistan will have to go capture these 5 once again or kill them. I suspect it will be kill them, capturing them seems not to work too good.
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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Doesn't it seem that every topic over the past year has simply been covered up as soon as it arises? Look at the top ten ten issues -which one has been closed out and all questions answered?

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    What I find strange is that so much emphasis is being put on Bergdahl himself by most of the posters in this thread. From my last two American Legion meetings and a VFW one, the emphasis is on whom was released and not on Bergdahl. Among these retired and active duty veterans, the fate of Bergdahl is divided between those who want a court martial to either clear him or convict him, those who want him just discharged thinking he has suffered enough and those who go along with the discharge as long as it is a dishonorable one.

    But most vets at all three meetings were against the swap, one does not increase the risks, the dangers to your fellow soldiers, to our allies, to the Afghan people the military was charged with protecting by releasing and swapping 5 hard core Taliban leaders which will surely come back and bite us and our allies in the butt. The focus is on these 5 by the American Legion and the VFW members, not Bergdahl. The name of the soldier is irrelevant. This is viewed akin to having Himmler and Goering in our POW camp and releasing/swapping them for the release of a single enlisted man. It is against military protocol and the standards ingrained in the military to do something like this regardless of how much you want our man back. It all goes to what these 5 released hard core Taliban leaders will likely do, the fact their released has increased the dangers to American military, their allies, to the Afghan people of having more of them die, being wounded, being kidnapped for more prisoner releases.

    Perhaps the focus is on Bergdahl for the civilian sector, not he is just a minor player in the military one, it is the release of the 5 hard core Taliban leaders that worry us. Then too what hasn’t been addressed is how soldiers lost their lives or were wounded, how many Afghan military were killed in apprehending these 5 to begin with. Apparently they do not count as soon those still over in Afghanistan will have to go capture these 5 once again or kill them. I suspect it will be kill them, capturing them seems not to work too good.
    Excellent post.

    Many in the media have mentioned that about the supposed danger of those Taliban officials exchanged for Bergdahl. I think comparing them to Goering or Himmler is a huge stretch.

    Going back a number of years, it was very well established that many of those at Gitmo were turned in for a bounty. The US was paying bounties, and many innocents were caught up in that, including a number of Brits and Aussies. People literally in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Whether those 5 were in that situation I do not know.

    But the irony would be complete if it turned out that any one of those five were present in the photo-op when Sec State Powell hand-delivered a $43 million check from the US government to the Taliban in April 2001 for their cooperation in the US led drug war, having virtually eliminated poppy and opium production in Afghanistan.

    But the point that these 5 guys are some sort of Super Heros, dangerous to all the world, especially the US military is just silly. Irrational fear mongering at its worst. They put their pants on just like every other person on the planet.

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    What I find strange is that so much emphasis is being put on Bergdahl himself by most of the posters in this thread. From my last two American Legion meetings and a VFW one, the emphasis is on whom was released and not on Bergdahl. Among these retired and active duty veterans, the fate of Bergdahl is divided between those who want a court martial to either clear him or convict him, those who want him just discharged thinking he has suffered enough and those who go along with the discharge as long as it is a dishonorable one.

    But most vets at all three meetings were against the swap, one does not increase the risks, the dangers to your fellow soldiers, to our allies, to the Afghan people the military was charged with protecting by releasing and swapping 5 hard core Taliban leaders which will surely come back and bite us and our allies in the butt. The focus is on these 5 by the American Legion and the VFW members, not Bergdahl. The name of the soldier is irrelevant. This is viewed akin to having Himmler and Goering in our POW camp and releasing/swapping them for the release of a single enlisted man. It is against military protocol and the standards ingrained in the military to do something like this regardless of how much you want our man back. It all goes to what these 5 released hard core Taliban leaders will likely do, the fact their released has increased the dangers to American military, their allies, to the Afghan people of having more of them die, being wounded, being kidnapped for more prisoner releases.

    Perhaps the focus is on Bergdahl for the civilian sector, not he is just a minor player in the military one, it is the release of the 5 hard core Taliban leaders that worry us. Then too what hasnít been addressed is how soldiers lost their lives or were wounded, how many Afghan military were killed in apprehending these 5 to begin with. Apparently they do not count as soon those still over in Afghanistan will have to go capture these 5 once again or kill them. I suspect it will be kill them, capturing them seems not to work too good.
    Excellent post! You are correct - the media has put all the attention on Bergdahl. While they aren't exactly down-playing the terms of the swap, they have put the emphasis on the feel-good part of Bergdahl's release. They will not openly criticize Obama, even this this may not have been one of his more brilliant moves, but the public seems to wonder why the trade wasn't one for one, instead of five terrorists for one soldier. There didn't seem to be a whole lot of negotiating going on - they set the terms, and Obama acquiesced. Did Obama ask for any military advice at all, or did he just decide on his own? If those terrorists now do what they said they would do, Obama will be totally responsible for any deaths that will occur. Didn't he realize that?

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Excellent post.

    Many in the media have mentioned that about the supposed danger of those Taliban officials exchanged for Bergdahl. I think comparing them to Goering or Himmler is a huge stretch.

    Going back a number of years, it was very well established that many of those at Gitmo were turned in for a bounty. The US was paying bounties, and many innocents were caught up in that, including a number of Brits and Aussies. People literally in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Whether those 5 were in that situation I do not know.

    But the irony would be complete if it turned out that any one of those five were present in the photo-op when Sec State Powell hand-delivered a $43 million check from the US government to the Taliban in April 2001 for their cooperation in the US led drug war, having virtually eliminated poppy and opium production in Afghanistan.

    But the point that these 5 guys are some sort of Super Heros, dangerous to all the world, especially the US military is just silly. Irrational fear mongering at its worst. They put their pants on just like every other person on the planet.
    Yes comparing the 5 Taliban to Goering and Himmler is a bit of a stretch, at least in the capabilities of those two had compared to what these 5 have/had. But the desired point is there. I and others have the feeling the threat assessment on these 5 was not either done or totally ignored. There may have been political reason for that, I do not know. The good news surrounding the release of Bergdahl to over shadow all the bad news coming out at the time. But after all these years, I am nothing more than an old cynic.

    The surrounding circumstance of these 5 capture has never been addressed that I know of. Whether bounty, a raid, or being captured on the battlefield, I suppose on has to take his best guess. The bounty situation was never addressed at any of the meeting I attended.

    Yeah, ironies occur all the time in war and in geopolitics in general. Today’s friend becomes tomorrows enemy and vice versa. One has to look no farther than Iraq to see that today. We are trying to overthrow Assad, and yet Assad is on our side fighting ISIS or IS in Iraq to help store up Maliki and the government we installed. Talk about Irony and then throw in Iran as helping too.

    Super heroes no, but those 5 were received as such by the Taliban and their followers. The Taliban Commander we let loose has already stated he is headed back to the battlefield to do what damage he can, whether to us, our allies or the Afghan people. Sometimes technology and better training can be overcome with higher moral and determination. This has been proven time and time again throughout history. There are many ways to fight a superior enemy with much more firepower, head on charges never work. But there are many ways to sap the will and moral of your enemy. You also do not need to defeat them in battle either, that is if you make time your ally instead of your enemy.

    It is true these 5 put their pants on the same as us, but so too did Genghis Kahn, Himmler, Hitler, Stalin, Giap, Pol Pot, etc.
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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    What I find strange is that so much emphasis is being put on Bergdahl himself by most of the posters in this thread. From my last two American Legion meetings and a VFW one, the emphasis is on whom was released and not on Bergdahl. Among these retired and active duty veterans, the fate of Bergdahl is divided between those who want a court martial to either clear him or convict him, those who want him just discharged thinking he has suffered enough and those who go along with the discharge as long as it is a dishonorable one.

    But most vets at all three meetings were against the swap, one does not increase the risks, the dangers to your fellow soldiers, to our allies, to the Afghan people the military was charged with protecting by releasing and swapping 5 hard core Taliban leaders which will surely come back and bite us and our allies in the butt. The focus is on these 5 by the American Legion and the VFW members, not Bergdahl. The name of the soldier is irrelevant. This is viewed akin to having Himmler and Goering in our POW camp and releasing/swapping them for the release of a single enlisted man. It is against military protocol and the standards ingrained in the military to do something like this regardless of how much you want our man back. It all goes to what these 5 released hard core Taliban leaders will likely do, the fact their released has increased the dangers to American military, their allies, to the Afghan people of having more of them die, being wounded, being kidnapped for more prisoner releases.

    Perhaps the focus is on Bergdahl for the civilian sector, not he is just a minor player in the military one, it is the release of the 5 hard core Taliban leaders that worry us. Then too what hasn’t been addressed is how soldiers lost their lives or were wounded, how many Afghan military were killed in apprehending these 5 to begin with. Apparently they do not count as soon those still over in Afghanistan will have to go capture these 5 once again or kill them. I suspect it will be kill them, capturing them seems not to work too good.
    So a bunch of retired vets that have "fought for our freedoms" wishing to deny Bergdahl due process, have already decided he's guilty and should be court martialed and or dishonourably discharged!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    Is this brain dead on arrival brain fart all you have? You should probably fall back on your previously delivered ad homs at this point, rather than just illustrating a lack of cerebral activity. But sure, why not? Brilliant reply! Completely masks your previous contributions as equally brain dead. Why not?
    Due process buddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Excellent post! You are correct - the media has put all the attention on Bergdahl. While they aren't exactly down-playing the terms of the swap, they have put the emphasis on the feel-good part of Bergdahl's release. They will not openly criticize Obama, even this this may not have been one of his more brilliant moves, but the public seems to wonder why the trade wasn't one for one, instead of five terrorists for one soldier. There didn't seem to be a whole lot of negotiating going on - they set the terms, and Obama acquiesced. Did Obama ask for any military advice at all, or did he just decide on his own? If those terrorists now do what they said they would do, Obama will be totally responsible for any deaths that will occur. Didn't he realize that?

    Greetings, Pero.
    Morning Pol, I really do not know. For every prisoner we have a threat assessment done on them. Some take longer than others. But you can bet on was done on all the hard core leaders. I really wonder if these were looked at and if so, totally ignored. Could the desire for some good news to over ride all the bad at the time, IRS, NSA, VA overcome common sense or did the president just receive some very bad advise. I do not know.

    If this were a book, Bergdahl would be a minor character. A character that makes his appearance in the beginning as a reason for the release of the 5 Taliban hard core leaders to include a commander which is the equivalent of a general. The rest of the book would be about the exploits these 5 do and Bergdahl would not make another appearance until perhaps the epilogue to let the reader know what happened to him. I am sure what we have seen so far is only the first chapter, more chapters to come.
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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    What I find strange is that so much emphasis is being put on Bergdahl himself by most of the posters in this thread. From my last two American Legion meetings and a VFW one, the emphasis is on whom was released and not on Bergdahl. Among these retired and active duty veterans, the fate of Bergdahl is divided between those who want a court martial to either clear him or convict him, those who want him just discharged thinking he has suffered enough and those who go along with the discharge as long as it is a dishonorable one.

    But most vets at all three meetings were against the swap, one does not increase the risks, the dangers to your fellow soldiers, to our allies, to the Afghan people the military was charged with protecting by releasing and swapping 5 hard core Taliban leaders which will surely come back and bite us and our allies in the butt. The focus is on these 5 by the American Legion and the VFW members, not Bergdahl. The name of the soldier is irrelevant. This is viewed akin to having Himmler and Goering in our POW camp and releasing/swapping them for the release of a single enlisted man. It is against military protocol and the standards ingrained in the military to do something like this regardless of how much you want our man back. It all goes to what these 5 released hard core Taliban leaders will likely do, the fact their released has increased the dangers to American military, their allies, to the Afghan people of having more of them die, being wounded, being kidnapped for more prisoner releases.

    Perhaps the focus is on Bergdahl for the civilian sector, not he is just a minor player in the military one, it is the release of the 5 hard core Taliban leaders that worry us. Then too what hasn’t been addressed is how soldiers lost their lives or were wounded, how many Afghan military were killed in apprehending these 5 to begin with. Apparently they do not count as soon those still over in Afghanistan will have to go capture these 5 once again or kill them. I suspect it will be kill them, capturing them seems not to work too good.
    You hit the nail on the head, well done.

    Perhaps the focus is on Bergdahl for the civilian sector,not he is just a minor player in the military one
    I believe this is what the administration wants the public to focus on, he is one of us.

    it is the release of the 5 hard core Taliban leaders that worry us
    This is what the administration wants us to over looks and forget, but intelligent concerned people will never forget. They know what potential harm can become of this trade deal.

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Due process buddy.
    Hey buddy, literally everyone in the thread is a fan of it. Except you, you know you? The guy contradicting himself every other post? The guy who screams due process in the face of a crowd who already are fans of the principal. Whereas you? While screaming "due process" like an idiot, extend nothing even approaching the concept of due process with regard to Bergdahl's fellow company members. Not only are they all part of a conspiracy to defraud Bergdahl of his day in court, they have motive to do so. Well if you just keep things really stupid that is. And you are doing a bang up job of it too! Bravo.

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