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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Let's see, the Army that won WWII is the same one that celebrated Christmas Day with the enemy somewhere in Germany or France, wasn't it?
    Were those soldiers derelict in their duty? Did they abandon their posts? Did they aid the enemy?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i have read two versions of bergdahl's differing views. one was that he believed the US military was abusing its authority in the region and was not truly helping the average citizens of afghanistan. the other view is that he thought the US military was not doing enough militarily, and he wanted to be more of a cowboy than what was actually being expected of him. some massive variances in those two depictions
    now to the potential motives of those who served with him, to publicly criticize them
    possibly, he did abandon his brothers in arms and went over to the taliban
    possibly, the others were very culpable for war crimes and feared a mister clean bergdahl might expose their wrongdoing
    Share with us the source of these two versions you have read, that we may judge their merit. And since you appear to be carrying Montecresto's water for him, can you share with us how specifically it is that Bergdahl's fellow soldiers would have "thrown him under the bus"? We are aware of what has been shared by his fellow soldiers, so please won't one of you two crystal ball wielding wizards share with us exactly what you two perceive as "bus throwing under" activity? This ought to be very easy yet I bet it won't be...............for some reason.

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    Due Process is a good thing. I stand beside it.
    Wonderful. Since this seems to be the position that everyone in the thread already holds, how wonderful for you. That was pretty obvious to everyone else.
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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Meadowlark View Post
    Right, to imagine he couldn't speak English and now is ready to be back on active duty after 5 years of being a prisoner.

    And yes the investigation is continuing, maybe Bergdahl needs to be back on active duty to be tried...
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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Permanent CQ duty? I remember there being a desk for CQ.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Some Muslims are against interfaith relationships, but I say give it a chance. Photo of Bowe Bergdahl with Taliban commander posted on Twitter | Mail Online
    LOL, that sure puts an interesting twist into a ready made twisted story.

    A few weeks to recover from 5 years of captivity, seems rather quick. And the fact he is free to leave the base according to the media, is the administration hoping he'll go AWOL? Never having to answer any questions....justifing BHO trade deal.

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    I didn't say that either. I said the government wouldn't be prosecuting him for political reasons. The white house won't allow the army to prosecute him because it would make Obama look silly for his rose garden antics with the parents of a deserter. Bergdahl is going to get away with it.

    I haven't convicted him. All I said was that the comments from his fellow soldiers was evidence. And they are. If the Army were to prosecute him, every one of those former soldiers would be brought in to testify. Witnesses are often used as evidence. No?

    No, witness testimony isn't evidence. Witnesses can be discredited through cross examination. Not saying they will be, but, investigation and trial will determine his fate. Not you and I.
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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, witness testimony isn't evidence. Witnesses can be discredited through cross examination. Not saying they will be, but, investigation and trial will determine his fate. Not you and I.
    Yes Montecresto, best thing to do now is repeat the mantra that Bergdahl will get his day in court. That it has nothing to do with what is being discussed nor has anyone argued otherwise is a flight right over your head. Of course now you will argue that the testimony of Bergdahl's company members won't count as evidence against him. Yet these same fellow company members are open target for posters like you to malign and impugn. Unless of course you have managed to muster up the courage to address rather than dodge the thrice asked question? If these soldiers testimony is not "evidence" then what "evidence" do you have that these soldiers have "motives" to throw Bergdahl under this imaginary bus of yours?
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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    Yes Montecresto, best thing to do now is repeat the mantra that Bergdahl will get his day in court. That it has nothing to do with what is being discussed nor has anyone argued otherwise is a flight right over your head. Of course now you will argue that the testimony of Bergdahl's company members won't count as evidence against him. Yet these same fellow company members are open target for posters like you to malign and impugn. Unless of course you have managed to muster up the courage to address rather than dodge the thrice asked question? If these soldiers testimony is not "evidence" then what "evidence" do you have that these soldiers have "motives" to throw Bergdahl under this imaginary bus of yours?
    Wtf is your problem man?? Have you read any of the inflammatory things that Bergdahl has said about US foreign policy and US military abuses? Fellow soldiers don't like such things. There's the motive. But again, there must be investigation to determine probability and then trial to get conviction. What's your problem with waiting for that. Do you have something against due process?
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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wtf is your problem man?? Have you read any of the inflammatory things that Bergdahl has said about US foreign policy and US military abuses? Fellow soldiers don't like such things. There's the motive. But again, there must be investigation to determine probability and then trial to get conviction. What's your problem with waiting for that. Do you have something against due process?
    I can guarantee you that I'm very well versed with what Bergdahl has said and to whom he said it, and more importantly when he said these things. Which is why I asked you to support your comment, it is so obviously plucked from the ether. So which of the comments about the military is that you claim Bargdahl's fellow company members were aware of? That could have served as "motive" to throw him under the bus? Even though you rather humorlessly claim you did not claim they did throw him under the bus! See I don't think you have a clue about any of this, likewise I don't think you can demonstrate, timeline wise, that your "theory" has a lick of common sense to it. Frankly it is a hot mess, that leaves you contradicting yourself and dodging the question over and over again. Even offering ad homs to me rather than just answering the question. And then of course, here you are again, pretending not to recognize that nobody has argued anything but let Bergdahl have his day in court. These bromides and deflections of yours are not very persuasive, do you think they are?

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    re: Former POW Bergdahl set to return to active duty [W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i have read two versions of bergdahl's differing views. one was that he believed the US military was abusing its authority in the region and was not truly helping the average citizens of afghanistan. the other view is that he thought the US military was not doing enough militarily, and he wanted to be more of a cowboy than what was actually being expected of him. some massive variances in those two depictions
    now to the potential motives of those who served with him, to publicly criticize them
    possibly, he did abandon his brothers in arms and went over to the taliban
    possibly, the others were very culpable for war crimes and feared a mister clean bergdahl might expose their wrongdoing


    william calley was believed to be an honorable leader of men until his my lai massacre was exposed
    it was the men who believed calley was committing war crimes who were responsible for exposing his wrongdoing
    i hope those who served with bergdahl were honorable. but the possibility exists that they were not, explaining their motivations for trying to paint him as a deserter

    how about we wait for the military investigation to conclude and its finding be made available to us before we make accusations that have no true basis at this time. suppress the emotion laden diatribes and await the facts of the matter. that alternative approach would seem to better serve us all
    Hoot, there it is! He's a deserter. End of story, my friend.

    The soldiers that testified against William Calley didn't desert their post.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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