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    Re: San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    it is not Italy....it is a Rome based company.......laws of SF .......DO NOT APPLY IN FOREIGN NATIONS.......MEANING THAT NATION DOES NOT RECOGNIZE THE LOCAL LAWS OF SF.
    You've been proven wrong on this already. Where the company is located is irrelevant, if a company can be demonstrated to have even superficial ties to the city/state, it can be sued using that state/city's laws.

    SF cannot dictate to a FOREIGN COMPANY...ONLY IF IT HAS AN OPERATION, PHYSICAL STRUCTURE IN THE U.S
    This has already been proven false. The city can dictate because the goods in question are based in the US. You are essentially arguing that cities have no jurisdiction over the use of their own public property. That is not only false, it's laughable.
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    Re: San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    So does that mean a foreign national can commit murder in SF, and SF cannot prosecute?

    a foreign national would be on u.s. soil, and be held accountable......if he went over seas after the murder, the state department would get involved

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    Re: San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Hmmm. I suppose the case will turn on whether they are selling parking spots or information about parking spots.
    They hold the spot until the buyer gets there, and don't allow other people to park there. That's selling the spot.
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    Re: San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    and i stated two positions.

    first SF cannot be involved in matter of any foreign commerce of a Rome based company.
    It isn't. The city is regulating its public property. Which is what you've failed to see because you're too invested in changing the context of the discussion. At no point did SF engage in commerce with a Rome based company. It regulated how its public property could be used by companies. That is within the boundaries of its powers.

    second SF .........HAS NO LEGAL POWERS OVER A FOREIGN COMPANY...all it can do is sue........it has no long arm of the law power....if the company is not in the states.......as i have heard telling them to turn off there app.
    Which is false as demonstrated by this very thread. MonkeyParking is no longer functioning within SF and SF enforced its public property laws. Tough nut.
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    Re: San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You've been proven wrong on this already. Where the company is located is irrelevant, if a company can be demonstrated to have even superficial ties to the city/state, it can be sued using that state/city's laws.



    This has already been proven false. The city can dictate because the goods in question are based in the US. You are essentially arguing that cities have no jurisdiction over the use of their own public property. That is not only false, it's laughable.
    well this shows you don't read.

    "second SF .........HAS NO LEGAL POWERS OVER A FOREIGN COMPANY...all it can do is sue"

    "over"......it cannot executive a law.

    i am stating clearly that the city, cannot dictate law, to a foreign company......all it can do is sue......it cannot execute any action..on a foreign company.

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    Re: San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    No! Once the first payer has paid the rent on the spot, it is his to use as he wills until the meter runs out. I think the City is having a severe rectal impaction.
    No it isn't. At no point are you the owner of the property. You are using it under the terms and conditions established by city laws.

    No different than buying blocks of cellular phone time for 4 cents and re-selling for 10 cents.
    Yes it is because cellular phone time isn't public property.
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    Re: San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well this shows you don't read.

    "second SF .........HAS NO LEGAL POWERS OVER A FOREIGN COMPANY...all it can do is sue"
    No, this shows you're not even sure what you're arguing. SF has the power to regulate public property. If a foreign company not based in SF is using SF public property for its own benefit (meaning the facts took place in SF), SCOTUS has already determined that SF does have jurisdiction. The commerce clause has literally nothing to do with this.

    "over"......it cannot executive a law.

    i am stating clearly that the city, cannot dictate law, to a foreign company......all it can do is sue......it cannot execute any action..on a foreign company.
    And this has already been shown to be false. Specially in circumstances such as this. MonkeyParking wants to have a portal to SF? It better follow SF law.
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    Re: San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    a foreign national would be on u.s. soil, and be held accountable......if he went over seas after the murder, the state department would get involved
    By extension, you contend a business is superior to a human.

    Wow...

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    Re: San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No, this shows you're not even sure what you're arguing. SF has the power to regulate public property. If a foreign company not based in SF is using SF public property for its own benefit (meaning the facts took place in SF), SCOTUS has already determined that SF does have jurisdiction. The commerce clause has literally nothing to do with this.



    And this has already been shown to be false. Specially in circumstances such as this. second SF .........HAS NO LEGAL POWERS OVER A FOREIGN COMPANY...all it can do is sue. wants to have a portal to SF? It better follow SF law.


    SF can sue the company...........it cannot execute any of it laws it makes on a foreign company in a foreign nation.........meaning, it cannot tell monkeyparking to turn off its app.

    the executive branch of the federal government does has power to get involved in what monkey parking does in the u.s. and use it powers.

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    Re: San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    By extension, you contend a business is superior to a human.

    Wow...
    no....if you are a foreign national on america soil.and you murder.....local police can arrest and put you on trial.

    if a foreign national murders and leave the country....then the state deportment gets involved.


    again for you...powers of regulation on foreign commerce are only a federal power....states have no power in that area......the federal government controls all powers which are for the union as a whole under article 1 section 8
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