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    Re: San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Mind begging to differ with a link supporting your claim?

    I don't feel strongly one way or another. It's one of those posts I weighed in on thinking, "They're selling a service." If this has already been adjudicated, I'd appreciate a link.
    What it does is send every knucklehead with a car and a smartphone downtown to squat in parking spaces, creating artificial shortages that generate the kind of profits real shortages do. Driving by spot after spot occupied by people watching their cellphones for the bidding to get high enough.

    How is that not what would happen?
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    Re: San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    LMAO, Italy doesn't have any operations here. A private corporation does.

    you might want to re-read.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao, you don't even know what you're arguing. Here it is:

    Italy, the sovereign state of Italy, isn't involved in this case in any way. This is strictly a matter of a city regulating the usage of its public property by companies. Where they are located is irrelevant. A US company wouldn't have a right to do this anymore than an Italian company does.
    any issue of commerce with a foreign nation is the feds job, a state is prohibited from such action.

    again for you......SF cannot, do anything to a Rome based company.....it can sue..........but it as cannot tell them to turn off or stop an app.

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    Re: San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you might want to re-read.
    No need to, I actually understood what the text said the first time. Did you?

    any issue of commerce with a foreign nation is the feds job, a state is prohibited from such action.
    I'm going to type this real slowly for you: There is absolutely no issue of commerce with a foreign nation here. The government of Italy has nothing to do with this case. That's what the commerce clause is about commerce with a foreign nation, Not privately owned companies operating within the US.
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    Re: San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i will rephrase....

    if the company and its operations are not in the u.s...but only its app is being used in the u.s. states cannot get involved in its foreign commerce.

    San Francisco cannot order by their local laws, anything on a Rome company.

    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;<----- power of congress
    Yes.

    Congress has that power, but it doesn't exclude states either. Does it?

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    Re: San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No need to, I actually understood what the text said the first time. Did you?

    I'm going to type this real slowly for you: There is absolutely no issue of commerce with a foreign nation here. The government of Italy has nothing to do with this case.
    it is not Italy....it is a Rome based company.......laws of SF .......DO NOT APPLY IN FOREIGN NATIONS.......MEANING THAT NATION DOES NOT RECOGNIZE THE LOCAL LAWS OF SF.

    SF cannot dictate to a FOREIGN COMPANY...ONLY IF IT HAS AN OPERATION, PHYSICAL STRUCTURE IN THE U.S

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    Re: San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Yes.

    Congress has that power, but it doesn't exclude states either. Does it?
    He's throwing out a red herring. There is no commerce going on with a foreign nation here. There is no trade going on between the state of SF and Rome/Italy. This is strictly a case of a city regulating how its infrastructure is used even by foreign companies. Cities have every right to do so and the foreign commerce clause is entirely irrelevant to it.
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    Re: San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Yes.

    Congress has that power, but it doesn't exclude states either. Does it?
    only the federal government has commerce powers...... overseas.

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    Re: San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    it is not Italy....it is a Rome based company.......laws of SF .......DO NOT APPLY IN FOREIGN NATIONS.......MEANING THAT NATION DOES NOT RECOGNIZE THE LOCAL LAWS OF SF.

    SF cannot dictate to a FOREIGN COMPANY...ONLY IF IT HAS AN OPERATION, PHYSICAL STRUCTURE IN THE U.S
    So does that mean a foreign national can commit murder in SF, and SF cannot prosecute?

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    Re: San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Demonstrably false:

    Supreme Court: Unless They Do Business Here, You Canít Sue Foreign Companies In The US | Corporate Law Report



    If SF decided to sue this company it very well could considering the parking spots in question were located in the city and were public property of the city.



    Not really. If that were all it was, the business plan for the entire app would collapse. The transaction is entirely dependent on a person holding the spot long enough for the other person to take over it. In short, it's a business created on the exchange of public parking for money. I'll get out of the spot, once you pay for it. In short, it's public property held for a ransom.
    No! Once the first payer has paid the rent on the spot, it is his to use as he wills until the meter runs out. I think the City is having a severe rectal impaction. No different than buying blocks of cellular phone time for 4 cents and re-selling for 10 cents.

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    Re: San Francisco Says Enough Monkey Business: Tells Parking Spot App to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    He's throwing out a red herring. There is no commerce going on with a foreign nation here. There is no trade going on between the state of SF and Rome/Italy. This is strictly a case of a city regulating how its infrastructure is used even by foreign companies. Cities have every right to do so and the foreign commerce clause is entirely irrelevant to it.
    and i stated two positions.

    first SF cannot be involved in matter of any foreign commerce of a Rome based company.

    second SF .........HAS NO LEGAL POWERS OVER A FOREIGN COMPANY...all it can do is sue........it has no long arm of the law power....if the company is not in the states.......as i have heard telling them to turn off there app.

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