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    Re: Darrell Issa Subpoenas Top Obama Political Aide

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no one used the IRS to go after American citizens
    no rights were violated
    even the republican appointed IG confirmed his investigation showed there was no illegal activity by the IRS employees
    So, when the IRS itself admitted that American citizens were inded denied their right to due prcess they were lying?
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    Re: Darrell Issa Subpoenas Top Obama Political Aide

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    I suspect as long as they promote his radical left wing agenda he is totally cool with it, probably promotes it, and thinks it should be the way to rule.
    Even Pol Pot had his loyal followers. Unfortunately there are people in this country who support tyranny.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Darrell Issa Subpoenas Top Obama Political Aide

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, when the IRS itself admitted that American citizens were inded denied their right to due prcess they were lying?
    show us what the irs admitted
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    Re: Darrell Issa Subpoenas Top Obama Political Aide

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    show us what the irs admitted
    IRS admits targeting conservatives for tax scrutiny in 2012 election - The Washington Post
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Darrell Issa Subpoenas Top Obama Political Aide

    here is the opening from your cite:
    The Internal Revenue Service on Friday apologized for targeting groups with “tea party” or “patriot” in their names, confirming long-standing accusations by some conservatives that their applications for tax-exempt status were being improperly delayed and scrutinized.

    Lois G. Lerner, the IRS official who oversees tax-exempt groups, said the “absolutely inappropriate” actions by “front-line people” were not driven by partisan motives.

    Rather, Lerner said, they were a misguided effort to come up with an efficient means of dealing with a flood of applications from organizations seeking *tax-exempt status between 2010 and 2012.

    During that period, about 75 groups were selected for extra inquiry — including burdensome questionnaires and, in some cases, improper requests for the names of their donors — simply because of the words in their names, she said in a conference call with reporters.

    They constituted about one-quarter of the 300 groups who were flagged for additional analysis by employees of the IRS tax-exempt unit’s main office in Cincinnati. ...
    there was no illegal action taken
    there was no partisanship exhibited
    the employees were trying to determine whether the applicants for 501c(4) status were entitled to receive it

    you act as if that is a bad thing, to do one's job as they understand it
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    Re: Darrell Issa Subpoenas Top Obama Political Aide

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    here is the opening from your cite:


    there was no illegal action taken
    there was no partisanship exhibited
    the employees were trying to determine whether the applicants for 501c(4) status were entitled to receive it

    you act as if that is a bad thing, to do one's job as they understand it
    Ok, why did they stall those applications rather than conduct an investigation? Why were ONLY groups with "tea party" and "patriot" the ones targetted? How were the names of the non-profts probable cause? How do you deny a group non-profit status when they aren't even in operation? Where's the evidence that they don't qualify? How does their religion disqualify them from a non-profit status?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Darrell Issa Subpoenas Top Obama Political Aide

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, why did they stall those applications rather than conduct an investigation?
    my understanding is the staff issued letters asking questions. questions the politically active organizations did not like having to respond to, given that degree of political activity would disqualify applicants for 501c(4) status

    Why were ONLY groups with "tea party" and "patriot" the ones targetted?
    they weren't
    which demonstrates how little you actually know about the matter. appears faux news was not passing out information which would undercut its reich wing talking points. my advice would be to subscribe to multiple sources for information to try to obtain a real understanding about what is going on

    How were the names of the non-profts probable cause?
    probable cause? don't think that is the expression you were intending to use ... hope not, any way
    but the IRS staff responsible for recommending approval or disapproval of 501c(4) status of the applicants were looking for indicators of political activity. by the law, there could be no political partisanship shown by those seeking to qualify for 501c(4) status. under the regulations, there was a tolerance for such activity so long as it was not significant. and that is the crux of this whole matter, the degree of partisan political activity conducted. and if one is assigned to investigate whether an applicant is engaged in partisan politics, would not having the applicant organization named tea party something or other, or patriot whatyoumightcallit give some indication of potential partisan political activity by the applicant organization?

    How do you deny a group non-profit status when they aren't even in operation?
    if the facts of their proposed operations are contrary to the eligibility criteria, then they would be properly found ineligible. you think the new organization 'democrats for change' should be given non-profit status only because it has not commenced its operations? would it not be more appropriate to investigate whether it was expected to operate consistent with the criteria established to become a 501c(4) organization?

    Where's the evidence that they don't qualify?
    if the application contains information showing they do not qualify, do you believe they should be found eligible anyway? if the investigation elicits information showing they are not eligible under established criteria, should they be issued the special status anyway?

    How does their religion disqualify them from a non-profit status?
    i don't know that any organization was denied only because of their religious background. so, if you have found otherwise, please share that information with us
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    Re: Darrell Issa Subpoenas Top Obama Political Aide

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    my understanding is the staff issued letters asking questions. questions the politically active organizations did not like having to respond to, given that degree of political activity would disqualify applicants for 501c(4) status
    The IRS asked questions about religion, as well as other personal and irrelevant questions; questions that aren't standard.

    Weirdest IRS Questions for the Tea Party: Views, Donors, and Etymology - ABC News


    they weren't
    which demonstrates how little you actually know about the matter. appears faux news was not passing out information which would undercut its reich wing talking points. my advice would be to subscribe to multiple sources for information to try to obtain a real understanding about what is going on
    The link I posted clearly states that the IRS admitted to targeting groups with, "tea party", in their name. So...yes, they were.


    probable cause? don't think that is the expression you were intending to use ... hope not, any way
    but the IRS staff responsible for recommending approval or disapproval of 501c(4) status of the applicants were looking for indicators of political activity. by the law, there could be no political partisanship shown by those seeking to qualify for 501c(4) status. under the regulations, there was a tolerance for such activity so long as it was not significant. and that is the crux of this whole matter, the degree of partisan political activity conducted. and if one is assigned to investigate whether an applicant is engaged in partisan politics, would not having the applicant organization named tea party something or other, or patriot whatyoumightcallit give some indication of potential partisan political activity by the applicant organization?
    No such law exists. However, there's damn sure a law that prohibits government employees from engaging in partisanship

    if the facts of their proposed operations are contrary to the eligibility criteria, then they would be properly found ineligible. you think the new organization 'democrats for change' should be given non-profit status only because it has not commenced its operations? would it not be more appropriate to investigate whether it was expected to operate consistent with the criteria established to become a 501c(4) organization?
    How does membership to Facebook disqualify a group from non-profit eligibility? Either way, the application should either be granted/denied by way of a standard criteria, not questions invented especially to target a specific group, for political reasons. The fact that the applications were held in limbo for 12 plus months is evidence that these groups were denied their right to due process.


    if the application contains information showing they do not qualify, do you believe they should be found eligible anyway? if the investigation elicits information showing they are not eligible under established criteria, should they be issued the special status anyway?
    If that were the case, then why weren't the applications denied, outright?

    i don't know that any organization was denied only because of their religious background. so, if you have found otherwise, please share that information with us
    Why were these groups asked questions about their religion? Questions like that are discriminatory in nature and therefore another civil rights violation.

    To top it all off, Lerner invoked the 5th Amendment, which proves she broke the law.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Darrell Issa Subpoenas Top Obama Political Aide

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hahaha....Bull ****! Nice display though of just how deep in the pocket some media outlets are to Obama....Too bad they sacrifice their credibility in the process.
    ... What? Are you saying Darrell Issa hasn't been getting far more campaign money since all these investigations started? Are you kidding me?

    https://www.opensecrets.org/politici...07017&newMem=N

    Number of Darrell Issa investigations: 0

    Attachment 67169645

    - Issa calls for ACORN investigation (~2011)
    - Issa begins Fast & Furious "investigation" and then... $500K jump in campaign $$.

    Attachment 67169643

    - Issa begins Benghazi investigation (~2012) and then... another $140K jump:
    - Issa begins IRS investigation (~2013)

    Attachment 67169644

    In short, for Issa, investigations mean the loons come out and contribute. No matter how long these investigations have gone on, he gets money. In fact, he has doubled his contributions in the same period as his investigations double/triple. So yes, investigations mean money for Issa even if he gets nowhere with them. BTW, how is his "probe" into ACORN going?
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    Re: Darrell Issa Subpoenas Top Obama Political Aide

    Pretty standard fair here.

    Attacking Issa personally and denying out right what the IRS has already admitted.

    Oh, and nothing is to be inferred by the White House's pathetic strategy to counter a " baseless politically motivated witchunt ".

    Yea, we're to ignore the fact that the Obama administration is handling this " witch hunt " in the WORST possible way.

    With lies, 5th amendment pleas and destruction of evidence.

    Lol !

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