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Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

mbig said:
Open Borders!
Immigrants Gone Wild.
Everyone who can make it in.. gets in
What a country!.. we were.
Now there are so many Former Illegals, they have their own Reps, and THEY are the swing vote on Current Illegals.

Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay - Bloomberg
By Heidi Przybyla
Jul 11, 2014 3:29 PM ET

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Photographer: Alex Wong/Getty Images
U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) (R) speaks as (L-4th L) Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-CA),
Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-CA), Rep. Rubén Hinojosa (D-TX), and Rep. Albio Sires (D-NJ)
during a news conference on July 11, 2014 on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC.

Now Barak can take the 'Middle ground' and let in a million for 'humanitarian reasons'.

NO Amnesty.
NO Path to Citizenship
NO Send/Have your kids here and reunite - trick.

NO one who enters illegally should EVER Be legal. Period.
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let em in no need for the children of immigrants to keep others out
 
blarg said:
let em in no need for the children of immigrants to keep others out
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Huh?
You mean let in 60,000 kids their Parents sent in...
And then HOW could you possibly be so brutal as to not let their parents in/reunite. Brothers/sisters? (Parents brothers and sisters too)
So it's probably 6:1 for every child their parents FRONTED on us sukkas. Thanks to blarg et al.

This is precisely the kind of weakness/Wrong-headed thinking illegals count on.
It's similarly estimated the 11 million illegals would be 30 million with a decade or two if Amnestied. That would make over 80 Million+ of one group, dramatically changing the countries make-up through invasion.
Probably 2/3+ former Illegals taking advantage of our stupid 'mercy'.

Absolutely NOT.
Free ride home and lunch for the kids.
 
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mbig said:
Huh?
You mean let in 60,000 kids their Parents sent in...
And then HOW could you possibly be so brutal as to not let their parents in/reunite. Brothers/sisters? (Parents brothers and sisters too)
So it's probably 6:1 for every child their parents FRONTED on us sukkas. Thanks to blarg et al.

This is precisely the kind of weakness/Wrong-headed thinking illegals count on.
It's similarly estimated the 11 million illegals would be 30 million with a decade or two if Amnestied. That would make over 80 Million+ of one group, dramatically changing the countries make-up through invasion.
Probably 2/3+ former Illegals taking advantage of our stupid 'mercy'.

Absolutely NOT.
Free ride home and lunch for the kids.
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let them all in
 
blarg said:
let them all in
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A sovereign nation without secure borders isn't likely to remain a sovereign nation for very long. Open borders is a foolish policy to implement.
 
eohrnberger said:
A sovereign nation without secure borders isn't likely to remain a sovereign nation for very long. Open borders is a foolish policy to implement.
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While a North Korea border idea isn't something I sure don't agree with, having our borders ignored by everyone who feels like living here is absurd! Whatever happened to the idea of doing things legally? :thumbdown:

Greetings, Erik. :2wave:
 
polgara said:
While a North Korea border idea isn't something I sure don't agree with, having our borders ignored by everyone who feels like living here is absurd! Whatever happened to the idea of doing things legally? :thumbdown:

Greetings, Erik. :2wave:
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Greetings, Polgara. :2wave:

I agree. Fully support legal immigration. Illegal immigrants need to go back home, deported, and immigrate legally, by obeying the laws.
 
Grant said:
The real question is why you posted those photos at all. Were they to represent millions of Native Americans or to show that there are Indian villages?
Didn't you claim that "When Captain Cook first landed on the shore of British Columbia, most of the sailors in his ships could only dream of living as well as the Natives they encountered". Why would they not, like Paul Gauguin, adapt? Only according to you.
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I posted the pictures to show that the North American Natives weren't sparsley scattered bands of savages.

Grant said:
Then it's clear they had time to invent the wheel. Perhaps it's time you cited some evidence.
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Invent the wheel? What? Huge buildings, monumental art, a prosperous society and they were savages because they didn't have wheels?
Evidence of what, that they supported artists? You think maybe 20 metre totem poles grew out of the ground? All those elaborate masks and weavings and cedar furniture just washed ashore.
 
eohrnberger said:
A sovereign nation without secure borders isn't likely to remain a sovereign nation for very long. Open borders is a foolish policy to implement.
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true iv got it let the people in don't let them carry weapons over they got to buy those hear
 
Grand Mal said:
I posted the pictures to show that the North American Natives weren't sparsley scattered bands of savages.
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Do we agree that cameras weren't around at that time and that your more modern photos, if they are to represent millions, suggest there was not the genocide you claimed?
Invent the wheel? What? Huge buildings, monumental art, a prosperous society and they were savages because they didn't have wheels?
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Nowhere did i call anyone savages. Try to stay with the truth this time, okay?
Evidence of what, that they supported artists? You think maybe 20 metre totem poles grew out of the ground? All those elaborate masks and weavings and cedar furniture just washed ashore.
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Totem poles were in the Pacific Northwest of North America and hardly commonplace throughout the continent. What cedar furniture and huge buildings are you referring to? And which cities were you referring to when you said, in your earlier post, that they could not support the arts? That was also false, correct?
 
eohrnberger said:
Greetings, Polgara. :2wave:

I agree. Fully support legal immigration. Illegal immigrants need to go back home, deported, and immigrate legally, by obeying the laws.
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if we change are laws to let most people in after words that would sound good
 
Grant said:
Do we agree that cameras weren't around at that time and that your more modern photos, if they are to represent millions, suggest there was not the genocide you claimed?
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I don't know what you're saying here.
There were millions of people in North America when the first white people came. There was a genocide. Are you denying either statement?

Grant said:
Nowhere did i call anyone savages. Try to stay with the truth this time, okay?
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Don't give me that snide attitude. You stepped in on a conversation between myself and someone who did.

Grant said:
Totem poles were in the Pacific Northwest of North America and hardly commonplace throughout the continent. What cedar furniture and huge buildings are you referring to?
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Geezus, are you just pulling my chain?
Go back and read the discussion you're trying to be a part of. There were big native settlements spread around North America and trade routes across the continent. It was a sophisticated culture and, in some cases, more prosperous than the societies that Europeans were fleeing from.

Grant said:
And which cities were you referring to when you said, in your earlier post, that they could not support the arts? That was also false, correct?
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Saginaw, Taylor, Compton...
The point (and a simple one, I thought) is that many Native towns enjoyed a level of prosperity that many Europeans could only envy and that many North American cities can't equal that prosperity today.
 
blarg said:
if we change are laws to let most people in after words that would sound good
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No, we should allow legal immigrants to enter in a prudent and thoughtful manner. We shouldn't be just throwing the gates open 'to let most people in'. That would be imprudent.
 
Grant said:
The real question is why you posted those photos at all. Were they to represent millions of Native Americans or to show that there are Indian villages?
Didn't you claim that "When Captain Cook first landed on the shore of British Columbia, most of the sailors in his ships could only dream of living as well as the Natives they encountered". Why would they not, like Paul Gauguin, adapt? Only according to you.

Then it's clear they had time to invent the wheel. Perhaps it's time you cited some evidence.



Which city, or cities, is that?

That's the first truthful thing you've said.
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Modern wheels are awesome but in the times that we are talking about in North America was there actual need of the wheel?

Theoretical Structural Archaeology

"Although the invention and use of wheeled vehicles seems to be a most fascinating topic for writers, the sledge actually has some advantages over the wagon or cart, even when used on earth, sand or grass instead of snow. For one thing, the use of carts and wagons is almost dependent upon built roads, and maintaining roads requires a large investment of energy – it is a community, rather than an individual project."


the lack of a wheel in pre-Colombian North America isnt indicative of nomads too busy to stop moving around to invent the wheel. .

In fact evidence shows that the pilgrims met up with a people far from nomadic.

"Traditionally Wampanoag people have been semi-sedentary, with seasonal movements between fixed sites in present-day southern New England. The "three sisters," corn (maize), beans and squash were the staples of their diet, supplemented by fish and game. Each community had authority over a well-defined territory from which the people derived their livelihood through a seasonal round of fishing, planting, harvesting, and hunting. Because southern New England was thickly populated, hunting grounds had strictly defined boundaries." Wampanoag people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Grand Mal said:
I don't know what you're saying here.
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Then I cannot help you.
There were millions of people in North America when the first white people came. There was a genocide. Are you denying either statement?
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There was definitely a plural of millions but there was no genocide. Are you saying there was, with a clear understanding of what 'genocide' actually means?
Don't give me that snide attitude. You stepped in on a conversation between myself and someone who did.
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Then use that quote with the other poster.
Geezus, are you just pulling my chain?
Go back and read the discussion you're trying to be a part of. There were big native settlements spread around North America and trade routes across the continent. It was a sophisticated culture and, in some cases, more prosperous than the societies that Europeans were fleeing from.
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You should definitely begin to provide credible links to your sources. Beliefs don't count.
Saginaw, Taylor, Compton...
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So Saginaw, Michigan doesn't support the arts? What's this then? Home
Where are the cities of Taylor and Compton located?
The point (and a simple one, I thought) is that many Native towns enjoyed a level of prosperity that many Europeans could only envy and that many North American cities can't equal that prosperity today.
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It is a simple point you make and one without much truth to it as well. You should make a habit of using credible links.
 
eohrnberger said:
No, we should allow legal immigrants to enter in a prudent and thoughtful manner. We shouldn't be just throwing the gates open 'to let most people in'. That would be imprudent.
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nah let us imprude
 
danarhea said:
^^
At least he is using the bible to support what he is saying. Jesus said "Suffer the little children", and damn it, come hell or high water, he's going to make them suffer. :mrgreen:
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It is truly laughable when leftists invoke the bible when it suits them, then denounce it the rest of the time...Kind of like declaring your lean as one thing, when all that you write points clearly to something else. ;)
 
The Obama-caused Crisis continues.
It is now estimated 60,000 Fronted children will reach 90,000 by the fall, thx to the correct perceptions Barak Insane Obama has promulgated.

Obama Said to Assure Hispanic Caucus on Deportations
By Alexis Simendinger - July 17, 2014
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...e_hispanic_caucus_on_deportations_123342.html

President Obama reassured members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Wednesday that he will flex his executive muscle later this year to be "as great and big and bold as he can be" to reduce deportations of undocumented immigrant families who have lived and worked in the United States for years, one Democratic lawmaker said at the conclusion of the meeting.

Obama tasked White House Counsel W. Neil Eggleston and Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson to meet this week with caucus members to continue examining powers the president can use to keep undocumented families together, Rep. Luis Gutierrez of Illinois told reporters.

Meanwhile, members of the caucus are willing to give the administration expedited authority to deport a surge of unaccompanied children seeking asylum in the United States, as long as any statutory changes preserve judicial due process on a case-by-case basis, Gutierrez told RCP.

Obama has asked Congress to approve $3.7 billion in emergency funding to address the immigration influx at the southwestern border, primarily from Central American countries, and he wants DHS to gain expedited authority to return most of the asylum-seekers to their home countries more quickly. The president also conceded recently that House Republicans will not vote on comprehensive immigration reform legislation this year, and he told his advisers to send him executive options by the end of the summer that might make some strides, even without Congress.
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mbig said:
The Obama-caused Crisis continues.
It is now estimated 60,000 Fronted children will reach 90,000 by the fall, thx to the correct perceptions Barak Insane Obama has promulgated.

Obama Said to Assure Hispanic Caucus on Deportations
By Alexis Simendinger - July 17, 2014
Obama Said to Assure Hispanic Caucus on Deportations | RealClearPolitics



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SInce Israel is killing everyone in Gaza, maybe our "best ally" will agree to take these illegal immigrants and give them all new lives in the now vacant Gaza Strip.
 
It's amazing to me how quickly everyone forgets that some political groups, public figures and some not so public figures have been talking about securing the border for a long time now, yet receiving no credit or acknowledgement for their predictions.

Perhaps the most logical thing to do is to support the political groups that made these prediction from the git go?
 
eohrnberger said:
Concerned about the potential militarization of the US / Mexican border?

Cartels suspected as high-caliber gunfire sends Border Patrol scrambling on Rio Grande | Fox News

Snipers target border agents - Washington Times

I'd say that it's already happened. High caliber sniper rifle and the training to go with it sounds suspiciously military to me.
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And yet many don't see what's going on here. The mightiest nation in the world, with the finest military, is being defeating on their home turf by child smugglers and drug dealers and in Afghanistan by peasants. This is what happens when the people ignore leadership qualifications in Presidential elections.
 
Grand Mal said:
I don't know what you're saying here.
There were millions of people in North America when the first white people came. There was a genocide. Are you denying either statement?



Don't give me that snide attitude. You stepped in on a conversation between myself and someone who did.



Geezus, are you just pulling my chain?
Go back and read the discussion you're trying to be a part of. There were big native settlements spread around North America and trade routes across the continent. It was a sophisticated culture and, in some cases, more prosperous than the societies that Europeans were fleeing from.



Saginaw, Taylor, Compton...
The point (and a simple one, I thought) is that many Native towns enjoyed a level of prosperity that many Europeans could only envy and that many North American cities can't equal that prosperity today.
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I guess it all depends on how you define prosperity. Saying that they had people that sat around and did art does not mean much. You could just as easily say that those coming from Europe were just as prosperous because they had men who sat around all day preaching religion which was what art was to some tribes.
To me both are pretty much equality useless and are not indicative of a prosperous society
 
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