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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Lock down the border tight...build an Israeli-style wall if necessary (would cost a tiny fraction of one year's military budget).

    Give Amnesty to all those illegals that have not been convicted of violent crimes...boot everyone else out.


    Anyone that slips through - send them back immediately...no excuses.
    And THAT is the FAILED policy they count on.
    The SURE incentive that they have always been REWARDED previously for Coming ILLEGALLY.
    The very reason For the Invasion.

    Yours is second only to Open Borders in Bad suggestions. It is Open Borders in fact. Open borders after the fact.
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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm from Chicago and Gutierrez is a total POS racist who lives in Puerto Rico and legislated Chicago nonsense from there.

    How the hell do you legislate from Puerto Rico?

    Gutierrez is a perfect example of how sung these clowns from Chicago are.

    Gutierrez want's to see the US look like Cuba or the USSR...... Yet this POS gets elected every time via progressive vote while he sits in his throne in Puerto Rico.
    Elected! Sounds like democracy. Looks like we need to get out the vote. You might get serious border security with Rand Paul, one or two others, but that's it.
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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Considering he questioned whether illegals do jobs Americans don't want to do and I supported TeleKat's assertion. No. I didn't back him up. Learn to read.
    No, Telekat said they only do off the books Jobs for Cash.
    Your link showed 65-75% of service workers were legal.
    Demonstrating NOTHING about Illegal immigrants. Baffle em with BS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey

    Only it wouldn't necessarily as there are three other options. Businesses don't have to hire illegal immigrants for those wages. There are plenty of legal immigrants willing to do those jobs for what? A dollar more. The fact is that illegal immigrants are willing to do them for a lower price than their legal brethren. If a legal immigrant does it for 8, the illegal will do it for 5. That's not going to raise the wage for an American expecting 13$ USD for the same job.
    False.
    As soon as 11 Million ILlegals are gone, the wage for legals and everyone else at the bottom of the Labor pool goes up dramatically.
    Workers will need National ID/e-Verify to get a Job. Period.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey

    My point is that your confirmation bias and inability to read past what you think benefits you is silly. Illegal immigrants are a response to Americans wanting to be overpaid.
    Once you "banish them", there will be legal immigrants willing to do those jobs for a few more dollars. The wages won't magically go up because illegal immigrants are gone and market readjustments will have to come from a few places (some which are outright anti-capitalist).
    Americans, or anyone else, are Only "overpaid" relative the the market they are in.
    Americans do NOT have to compete with the lowest wage on the planet (ie $1 a day) and let in Millions who'll take such: your bizarro Warped theory.
    The Market they are in Now is FALSELY Depressed by a Hoard of ILlegal immigrants.
    What an obtuse opinion in service of illegal immigration.
    (an opinion that would destroy the way of life in the West and it's Middle Class in general)
    Please join them on their trip back south when my Law of needing National ID/e-Verify to get a job gets passed.
    BTW, how many illegals do You employ?
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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Elected! Sounds like democracy. Looks like we need to get out the vote. You might get serious border security with Rand Paul, one or two others, but that's it.

    What I need to do is start getting more aggressive!

    Democracy!

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    What I need to do is start getting more aggressive!


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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    President Obama has deported more illegals than any other president...
    Not another one who believed the lies coming out of the Obama White House.

    How many times does someone has to point out that the Obama administration are all a bunch of liars ? That they cooked the deportation numbers and changed the definition of what a deportation is.

    I think this will be the 50th time that this link has been posted on the DP since Obama lied to get to be given a second chance in 2012.

    Well it does explain how Obama got reelected, an uninformed or misinformed koolaid drinking voters.

    Deportation Numbers Unwrapped
    Raw Statistics Reveal the Real Story of ICE Enforcement in Decline



    DHS: Obama Administration has been inflating deportation numbers

    >" In a stunning admission before a House Committee panel on Tuesday, DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson admitted that the Obama Administration has been artificially inflating deportation numbers. While the administration has claimed a "record number" of deportations, earning Pres. Obama the nickname "Deporter in Chief", Johnson admitted that they have been counting border apprehensions that are turned over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers as deportations.

    During a House Appropriations Committee hearing, Rep. John Culberson (R-Texas) said to Johnson, "Under the Obama administration, more than half of those removals that were attributed to ICE are actually a result of Border Patrol arrests that wouldn't have been counted in prior administrations."..."<

    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/n...n-numbers.html


    Deportation Numbers Unwrapped | Center for Immigration Studies

    How the Obama Administration Inflates Deportation Statistics

    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/n...tatistics.html


    Don't worry Juanita before next Friday someone else will also be making the same claim.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Derp View Post
    What laws are you speaking of?

    You do realize what a burden this would put on our already overcrowded prison system.
    Sheriff Joe Arpaio knows how to do it the right way.

    8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

    (a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
    Any alien who

    (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
    (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
    (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

    8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien | LII / Legal Information Institute

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, I haven't a crystal ball. However I don't see how that's the tool one needs for this. A very long history of both republican and democratic administrations that have failed to secure our border is enough for me to predict tomorrow.
    True, but there is more to it than just a President saying he want's this done. So much today is polarized that anything, even if it is what we want to see done, will likely be held by one side or another as a leverage tool for something any particular politician wants him/herself. This is not helped when a President tries to constantly play the whining card, or the race card, and demonize his opponents.

    We all know what has to be done, and how to get there. Giant "comprehensive" laws are horrible, and nearly unimplementable. So we need to get back to basics. When you have a leaky roof, you don't mop the floor until you fix the roof, and you certainly don't burn the house down to fix the roof.

    I'm not certain that you understand my point. Did you think I said all that to convey to you that unsecured borders is a good thing, or that illegal immigration is really legal.
    Then we likely have a semblance of agreement. The rhetoric that the illegals do the jobs that American's won't do, while had some merit before 2008, today is nearly out the window with so many out of work, or out of the workforce. This will come to a head. There IMHO, will come a time when all of this extended unemployment, welfare, and disability dole will have to be culled. At that time the backlash against these so called people doing jobs American's won't do will fly right out the window.
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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But illegals DO do jobs that Americans don't want to do, here in my neck of the woods is a Tyson chicken processing plant, the neighbouring town is referred to as little Mexico. You'll find no whites employed there save in management. It's very VERY nasty work. This is one example of why I continue to point out, big business IS NOT interested in secure borders, it runs counterintuitive to their interests.
    I agree with that.If you think about it,all the mass immigrations into this country was to facilitate business's want for cheap labor. Its why Africans were imported here and why the Chinese,Irish,Italians and other groups of people were allowed to come here in big waves.



    Secure borders are counterintuitive to the new world order that is globalisation, it to has no use for borders whatsoever. Funny watching people stick their noses so close to the problem that they fail to see that big picture, and blame our decades old border problem all on Obama.
    I do not think anyone is blaming this all on Obama. Many people cite the failure of the Reagan amnesty and the 20 plus years since then that government deliberately failed to secure the border as to why we should not have another mass amnesty or so called immigration reform with piece of **** pro-illegals in office.


    Oh btw, now a days illegals also take jobs that Americans do want to do. They are thick in landscaping, ALL the construction fields, body and mechanic shops, etc.
    I would have to say thats always been the case of illegals working in jobs other than agriculture. Its that the more and more people who come into this country illegally the more we notice them in other trades. One of the scenes in the 1987 movie Born in East L.A. depicts illegals being rounded up in token immigration raid on factory and deported back to Mexico.
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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Open Borders!
    Immigrants Gone Wild.
    Everyone who can make it in.. gets in
    What a country!.. we were.
    Now there are so many Former Illegals, they have their own Reps, and THEY are the swing vote on Current Illegals.

    Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay - Bloomberg
    By Heidi Przybyla
    Jul 11, 2014 3:29 PM ET


    Photographer: Alex Wong/Getty Images
    U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) (R) speaks as (L-4th L) Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-CA),
    Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-CA), Rep. Rubén Hinojosa (D-TX), and Rep. Albio Sires (D-NJ)
    during a news conference on July 11, 2014 on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC.


    Now Barak can take the 'Middle ground' and let in a million for 'humanitarian reasons'.

    NO Amnesty.
    NO Path to Citizenship
    NO Send/Have your kids here and reunite - trick.

    NO one who enters illegally should EVER Be legal. Period.
    If illegal immigrants want to cross the border freely, without repercussions, then they should file as corporations.
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