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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Given that these are not mere criminals, but foreign invaders, I would say that this meets the Constitutional definition of treason.
    by definition they are not invaders .

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    President Obama has deported more illegals than any other president...
    Too early to tell but he is on track to do so.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Open Borders!
    Immigrants Gone Wild.
    Everyone who can make it in.. gets in
    What a country!.. we were.
    Now there are so many Former Illegals, they have their own Reps, and THEY are the swing vote on Current Illegals.

    Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay - Bloomberg
    By Heidi Przybyla
    Jul 11, 2014 3:29 PM ET


    Photographer: Alex Wong/Getty Images
    U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) (R) speaks as (L-4th L) Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-CA),
    Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-CA), Rep. Rubén Hinojosa (D-TX), and Rep. Albio Sires (D-NJ)
    during a news conference on July 11, 2014 on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC.


    Now Barak can take the 'Middle ground' and let in a million for 'humanitarian reasons'.

    NO Amnesty.
    NO Path to Citizenship
    NO Send/Have your kids here and reunite - trick.

    NO one who enters illegally should EVER Be legal. Period.
    I think these illegals should be dumped in John McCain's house, Nancy Pelosi's house, George Bush's house,Barrack Obama's house and other houses of piece of ****s calling for amnesty or some sort of legal status for illegals. Maybe if they had to personally pay for the costs of these illegals they wouldn't be so willing to take force others in the US to deal with them.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    You said most, back it up, show us this known fact? Your opinion is no fact. I really doubt it. You want to believe what you do to fit your narrative. Prove it. Otherwise state your opinions and leave the facts to people who know them and stop trying to make them up.


    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Evidence for what? It's a known fact.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    An open border believer said illegals just mow lawns and are not hired by employers. This presentation suggested some may work for fast food, but again that is an employer with a Federal Employee ID and we simply need to take their license away for hiring criminals. Require the use of everify.

    And you are right. Take 10 million employed criminals out and the low end job market will soar in value.


    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Huh?

    1. How does that address what Calgun said?
    Are you trying to refute him.. or back him up?

    2. I already said that banishing illegals from Jobs would [have the additional Benefit] of killing the necessity for raising the Minimum Wage and would "Double" the wage for menial laborers/tasks and get rid of the Warping/Depressing effect illegals have.
    great!

    What's YOUR point?

    You clearly went back in the string, but didn't read it well.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Open Borders!
    Immigrants Gone Wild.
    Everyone who can make it in.. gets in
    What a country!.. we were.
    Now there are so many Former Illegals, they have their own Reps, and THEY are the swing vote on Current Illegals.

    Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay - Bloomberg
    By Heidi Przybyla
    Jul 11, 2014 3:29 PM ET


    Photographer: Alex Wong/Getty Images
    U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) (R) speaks as (L-4th L) Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-CA),
    Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-CA), Rep. Rubén Hinojosa (D-TX), and Rep. Albio Sires (D-NJ)
    during a news conference on July 11, 2014 on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC.


    Now Barak can take the 'Middle ground' and let in a million for 'humanitarian reasons'.

    NO Amnesty.
    NO Path to Citizenship
    NO Send/Have your kids here and reunite - trick.

    NO one who enters illegally should EVER Be legal. Period.
    Yep, totally agreed. It's too bad presidents for fifty years have left our southern border unsecured, drawing millions of illegal immigrants through the years, granting amnesty, and yet its as though Obama took office and opened the border gates. Partisan politics is that un effective. If people had been Americans first, asses and elephants second, such demands as you post (and there quite legitimate) would have been in place all along.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yep, totally agreed. It's too bad presidents for fifty years have left our southern border unsecured, drawing millions of illegal immigrants through the years, granting amnesty, and yet its as though Obama took office and opened the border gates. Partisan politics is that un effective. If people had been Americans first, asses and elephants second, such demands as you post (and there quite legitimate) would have been in place all along.
    Our southren Border has never been locked down. Not in 50 years...not in 500 years.


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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Lock down the border tight...build an Israeli-style wall if necessary (would cost a tiny fraction of one year's military budget).

    Give amnesty to all those illegals that have not been convicted of violent crimes...boot everyone else out.

    Anyone that slips through - send them back immediately...no excuses.
    NO AMNESTY - EVER. Immediate deportation is the only option.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yep, totally agreed. It's too bad presidents for fifty years have left our southern border unsecured, drawing millions of illegal immigrants through the years, granting amnesty, and yet its as though Obama took office and opened the border gates. Partisan politics is that un effective. If people had been Americans first, asses and elephants second, such demands as you post (and there quite legitimate) would have been in place all along.

    I thought Obama touted himself as "the Great Transformer"? Now we find out that was BS just like the rest of his phony image crap.
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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Huh?

    1. How does that address what Calgun said?
    Are you trying to refute him.. or back him up?
    Considering he questioned whether illegals do jobs Americans don't want to do and I supported TeleKat's assertion. No. I didn't back him up. Learn to read.

    2. I already said that banishing illegals from Jobs would [have the additional Benefit] of killing the necessity for raising the Minimum Wage and would "Double" the wage for menial laborers/tasks and get rid of the Warping/Depressing effect illegals have.
    Only it wouldn't necessarily as there are three other options. Businesses don't have to hire illegal immigrants for those wages. There are plenty of legal immigrants willing to do those jobs for what? A dollar more. The fact is that illegal immigrants are willing to do them for a lower price than their legal brethren. If a legal immigrant does it for 8, the illegal will do it for 5. That's not going to raise the wage for an American expecting 13$ USD for the same job.

    great!

    What's YOUR point?

    You clearly went back in the string, but didn't read it well.
    My point is that your confirmation bias and inability to read past what you think benefits you is silly. Illegal immigrants are a response to Americans wanting to be overpaid. Once you "banish them", there will be legal immigrants willing to do those jobs for a few more dollars. The wages won't magically go up because illegal immigrants are gone and market readjustments will have to come from a few places (some which are outright anti-capitalist).
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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