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Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

CalGun said:
You said most, back it up, show us this known fact? Your opinion is no fact. I really doubt it. You want to believe what you do to fit your narrative. Prove it. Otherwise state your opinions and leave the facts to people who know them and stop trying to make them up.
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Go to any 7/11 or Home Depot in the South, particularly Texas or California, you will see all the proof you need. I've seen it myself. Dozens of Mexicans standing around waiting for someone to drive by looking for cheap lawnmowers/maids/etc. Even if you manage to successfully implement your authoritarian National ID card and have everyone ask permission from the government to get a job, that will do nothing to deter them from seeking jobs under the table. If anything it will increase the chance of them joining gangs and mafias.

Not all work is provided by licensed employers, and the unlicensed ones are nearly impossible to track. Your plan will just drive them further "underground" so to speak.
 
mbig said:
Open Borders!
Immigrants Gone Wild.
Everyone who can make it in.. gets in
What a country!.. we were.
Now there are so many Former Illegals, they have their own Reps, and THEY are the swing vote on Current Illegals.

Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay - Bloomberg
By Heidi Przybyla
Jul 11, 2014 3:29 PM ET

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Photographer: Alex Wong/Getty Images
U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) (R) speaks as (L-4th L) Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-CA),
Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-CA), Rep. Rubén Hinojosa (D-TX), and Rep. Albio Sires (D-NJ)
during a news conference on July 11, 2014 on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC.

Now Barak can take the 'Middle ground' and let in a million for 'humanitarian reasons'.

NO Amnesty.
NO Path to Citizenship
NO Send/Have your kids here and reunite - trick.

NO one who enters illegally should EVER Be legal. Period.
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Yeah I'm sure that is what that 3.7 billion dollars Obama was asking for would be used...

Every illegal gets 40,000, a green card, housing, medical care, food card etc and a pat on the back and WOULD be consistently reminded that their new found riches are paid for by the DNC.

The reason why congressmen and woman are not allowed to see these facilities is simple - they're not only kids they're adults too.
 
j-mac said:
Not saying he/she will or will not be...I don't have a crystal ball. Do you?
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No, I haven't a crystal ball. However I don't see how that's the tool one needs for this. A very long history of both republican and democratic administrations that have failed to secure our border is enough for me to predict tomorrow.
 
j-mac said:
I know that is the meme, however, that doesn't make illegal immigration not illegal. A nation without borders isn't a nation.
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I'm not certain that you understand my point. Did you think I said all that to convey to you that unsecured borders is a good thing, or that illegal immigration is really legal.
 
I'm from Chicago and Gutierrez is a total POS racist who lives in Puerto Rico and legislated Chicago nonsense from there.

How the hell do you legislate from Puerto Rico?

Gutierrez is a perfect example of how sung these clowns from Chicago are.

Gutierrez want's to see the US look like Cuba or the USSR...... Yet this POS gets elected every time via progressive vote while he sits in his throne in Puerto Rico.
 
DA60 said:
Lock down the border tight...build an Israeli-style wall if necessary (would cost a tiny fraction of one year's military budget).

Give Amnesty to all those illegals that have not been convicted of violent crimes...boot everyone else out.

Anyone that slips through - send them back immediately...no excuses.
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And THAT is the FAILED policy they count on.
The SURE incentive that they have always been REWARDED previously for Coming ILLEGALLY.
The very reason For the Invasion.

Yours is second only to Open Borders in Bad suggestions. It is Open Borders in fact. Open borders after the fact.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
I'm from Chicago and Gutierrez is a total POS racist who lives in Puerto Rico and legislated Chicago nonsense from there.

How the hell do you legislate from Puerto Rico?

Gutierrez is a perfect example of how sung these clowns from Chicago are.

Gutierrez want's to see the US look like Cuba or the USSR...... Yet this POS gets elected every time via progressive vote while he sits in his throne in Puerto Rico.
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Elected! Sounds like democracy. Looks like we need to get out the vote. You might get serious border security with Rand Paul, one or two others, but that's it.
 
Hatuey said:
Considering he questioned whether illegals do jobs Americans don't want to do and I supported TeleKat's assertion. No. I didn't back him up. Learn to read.
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No, Telekat said they only do off the books Jobs for Cash.
Your link showed 65-75% of service workers were legal.
Demonstrating NOTHING about Illegal immigrants. Baffle em with BS.

Hatuey said:
Only it wouldn't necessarily as there are three other options. Businesses don't have to hire illegal immigrants for those wages. There are plenty of legal immigrants willing to do those jobs for what? A dollar more. The fact is that illegal immigrants are willing to do them for a lower price than their legal brethren. If a legal immigrant does it for 8, the illegal will do it for 5. That's not going to raise the wage for an American expecting 13$ USD for the same job.
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False.
As soon as 11 Million ILlegals are gone, the wage for legals and everyone else at the bottom of the Labor pool goes up dramatically.
Workers will need National ID/e-Verify to get a Job. Period.


Hatuey said:
My point is that your confirmation bias and inability to read past what you think benefits you is silly. Illegal immigrants are a response to Americans wanting to be overpaid.
Once you "banish them", there will be legal immigrants willing to do those jobs for a few more dollars. The wages won't magically go up because illegal immigrants are gone and market readjustments will have to come from a few places (some which are outright anti-capitalist).
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Americans, or anyone else, are Only "overpaid" relative the the market they are in.
Americans do NOT have to compete with the lowest wage on the planet (ie $1 a day) and let in Millions who'll take such: your bizarro Warped theory.
The Market they are in Now is FALSELY Depressed by a Hoard of ILlegal immigrants.
What an obtuse opinion in service of illegal immigration.
(an opinion that would destroy the way of life in the West and it's Middle Class in general)
Please join them on their trip back south when my Law of needing National ID/e-Verify to get a job gets passed.
BTW, how many illegals do You employ?
 
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Montecresto said:
Elected! Sounds like democracy. Looks like we need to get out the vote. You might get serious border security with Rand Paul, one or two others, but that's it.
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What I need to do is start getting more aggressive!

Democracy!
 
Juanita said:
President Obama has deported more illegals than any other president...
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Not another one who believed the lies coming out of the Obama White House.

How many times does someone has to point out that the Obama administration are all a bunch of liars ? That they cooked the deportation numbers and changed the definition of what a deportation is.

I think this will be the 50th time that this link has been posted on the DP since Obama lied to get to be given a second chance in 2012.

Well it does explain how Obama got reelected, an uninformed or misinformed koolaid drinking voters.

Deportation Numbers Unwrapped
Raw Statistics Reveal the Real Story of ICE Enforcement in Decline


DHS: Obama Administration has been inflating deportation numbers

>" In a stunning admission before a House Committee panel on Tuesday, DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson admitted that the Obama Administration has been artificially inflating deportation numbers. While the administration has claimed a "record number" of deportations, earning Pres. Obama the nickname "Deporter in Chief", Johnson admitted that they have been counting border apprehensions that are turned over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers as deportations.

During a House Appropriations Committee hearing, Rep. John Culberson (R-Texas) said to Johnson, "Under the Obama administration, more than half of those removals that were attributed to ICE are actually a result of Border Patrol arrests that wouldn't have been counted in prior administrations."..."<

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/...n-has-been-inflating-deportation-numbers.html


Deportation Numbers Unwrapped | Center for Immigration Studies

How the Obama Administration Inflates Deportation Statistics

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/...stration-inflates-deportation-statistics.html


Don't worry Juanita before next Friday someone else will also be making the same claim.
 
Derp said:
What laws are you speaking of?

You do realize what a burden this would put on our already overcrowded prison system.
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Sheriff Joe Arpaio knows how to do it the right way.

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien | LII / Legal Information Institute
 
Montecresto said:
No, I haven't a crystal ball. However I don't see how that's the tool one needs for this. A very long history of both republican and democratic administrations that have failed to secure our border is enough for me to predict tomorrow.
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True, but there is more to it than just a President saying he want's this done. So much today is polarized that anything, even if it is what we want to see done, will likely be held by one side or another as a leverage tool for something any particular politician wants him/herself. This is not helped when a President tries to constantly play the whining card, or the race card, and demonize his opponents.

We all know what has to be done, and how to get there. Giant "comprehensive" laws are horrible, and nearly unimplementable. So we need to get back to basics. When you have a leaky roof, you don't mop the floor until you fix the roof, and you certainly don't burn the house down to fix the roof.

I'm not certain that you understand my point. Did you think I said all that to convey to you that unsecured borders is a good thing, or that illegal immigration is really legal.
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Then we likely have a semblance of agreement. The rhetoric that the illegals do the jobs that American's won't do, while had some merit before 2008, today is nearly out the window with so many out of work, or out of the workforce. This will come to a head. There IMHO, will come a time when all of this extended unemployment, welfare, and disability dole will have to be culled. At that time the backlash against these so called people doing jobs American's won't do will fly right out the window.
 
Montecresto said:
But illegals DO do jobs that Americans don't want to do, here in my neck of the woods is a Tyson chicken processing plant, the neighbouring town is referred to as little Mexico. You'll find no whites employed there save in management. It's very VERY nasty work. This is one example of why I continue to point out, big business IS NOT interested in secure borders, it runs counterintuitive to their interests.
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I agree with that.If you think about it,all the mass immigrations into this country was to facilitate business's want for cheap labor. Its why Africans were imported here and why the Chinese,Irish,Italians and other groups of people were allowed to come here in big waves.


Secure borders are counterintuitive to the new world order that is globalisation, it to has no use for borders whatsoever. Funny watching people stick their noses so close to the problem that they fail to see that big picture, and blame our decades old border problem all on Obama.
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I do not think anyone is blaming this all on Obama. Many people cite the failure of the Reagan amnesty and the 20 plus years since then that government deliberately failed to secure the border as to why we should not have another mass amnesty or so called immigration reform with piece of **** pro-illegals in office.


Oh btw, now a days illegals also take jobs that Americans do want to do. They are thick in landscaping, ALL the construction fields, body and mechanic shops, etc.
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I would have to say thats always been the case of illegals working in jobs other than agriculture. Its that the more and more people who come into this country illegally the more we notice them in other trades. One of the scenes in the 1987 movie Born in East L.A. depicts illegals being rounded up in token immigration raid on factory and deported back to Mexico.
 
mbig said:
Open Borders!
Immigrants Gone Wild.
Everyone who can make it in.. gets in
What a country!.. we were.
Now there are so many Former Illegals, they have their own Reps, and THEY are the swing vote on Current Illegals.

Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay - Bloomberg
By Heidi Przybyla
Jul 11, 2014 3:29 PM ET

iAWymukhY41o.jpg

Photographer: Alex Wong/Getty Images
U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) (R) speaks as (L-4th L) Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-CA),
Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-CA), Rep. Rubén Hinojosa (D-TX), and Rep. Albio Sires (D-NJ)
during a news conference on July 11, 2014 on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC.

Now Barak can take the 'Middle ground' and let in a million for 'humanitarian reasons'.

NO Amnesty.
NO Path to Citizenship
NO Send/Have your kids here and reunite - trick.

NO one who enters illegally should EVER Be legal. Period.
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If illegal immigrants want to cross the border freely, without repercussions, then they should file as corporations.
 
NIMBY said:
I'd prefer that you stay on the board so I can :lamo
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Yeah right.....

Keep on believing the lies.

If I called myself a progressive you would be at attention.

Robot...
 
CalGun said:
Maybe instead of the US making Mexico a state....Mexico will just annex the US.

I vote we give em So Cal? I'll miss Disney but I can't afford it anymore anyway....
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There is another Disney park in Florida.
 
APACHERAT said:
Sheriff Joe Arpaio knows how to do it the right way.

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien | LII / Legal Information Institute
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I find it ironic that a sheriff apparently knows the law better than our Justice Department!

Greetings, APACHERAT. :2wave:
 
TeleKat said:
Ok, so if you won't give them amnesty and you won't even provide a reasonable path to citizenship, what exactly are you going to do with the thousands of immigrants that have already crossed the border and have made lives here? I see no viable way of sending them all home without infringing on the 4th amendment and wasting a ton of taxpayer money. You must also keep in mind that you will end up tearing families apart and damaging the lives of those who aren't "legal" but have lived their whole lives here.
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Funny how people can figure out how to build airplanes and cure diseases (which these illegals have) yet there is "no way" we can deport illegals??????

Oh, we can deport illegals - you just don't want them deported - nor does any progressive fascist.

Of course once they take YOUR JOB you will be all salty and will take a different position..... Why? because you don't care unless you're affected........ GRRRR....
 
polgara said:
I find it ironic that a sheriff apparently knows the law better than our Justice Department!

Greetings, APACHERAT. :2wave:
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Afternoon Polgara :2wave:

Joe Arpaio aka Americas Sheriff has more experience in law enforcement than any appointed member in the Obama administration.

Arpaio use to be a federal law enforcement agent with in the Department of Justice.

You would think the Secretary of Homeland Security would have military experience or at least law enforcement experience. Not in the Obama administration.

The same with the director of Immigration Customs and Immigration (ICE), but not in the Obama administration.

Then there's Obama's Attorney General :laughat: Eric Holder, :lamo His job is not being the Attorney General for America but to protect Obama and his incompetent administration.

A competent POTUS would appoint someone like Joe Arpaio as Secretary of DHS or put in charge of ICE.
 
MMC said:
Yeah but how would people know.....most aren't up into their neighbors business. I doubt any questions their neighbors if they are or someone living with them is here legally.
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Make it so that the illegal can turn them in for all of the money they are fined. Puts them in a distrustful, adversarial relationship with would be employers. When the illegal is ready to go back, they will turn them in. It won't take long before it is like zero hiring of illegals.
 
clownboy said:
No, that's unfortunately not true at this point. But seriously, have you seen anyone here arguing that employers be let off the hook in this?
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No but I haven't seen many aggressively looking to punish them either.
I believe it would be much cheaper and efficient to pursue this line of action fining and punishing illegal employers rather than trying to build and expensive wall or a fence patrolled by guards. If the word gets out that there is no illegal employment, the illegal immigrants will not come here.
IMHO small businesses and contractors are the main culprits in our illegal immigrant problem.
 
Dezaad said:
Make it so that the illegal can turn them in for all of the money they are fined. Puts them in a distrustful, adversarial relationship with would be employers. When the illegal is ready to go back, they will turn them in. It won't take long before it is like zero hiring of illegals.
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I like that idea Dezaad. It would make the whole thing self policing.
 
APACHERAT said:
Sheriff Joe Arpaio knows how to do it the right way.

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien | LII / Legal Information Institute
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Do you really believe that imprisoning illegals is the answer?
The costs would be staggering.
 
Buck Ewer said:
Do you really believe that imprisoning illegals is the answer?
The costs would be staggering.
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It's the law.

Not sure if you're old enough to remember when we (America) use to be a nation of laws. America was different back then, it was like, like America.

The imprisonment of illegal aliens is used as a form of punishment and a deterrent. For some strange reason punishment does seem to be a deterrent.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio sure knows how to incarcerate criminals without the taxpayers spending so much money.

Tent city prisons out in the middle of the desert. Two gringo burritos per day.

When they (illegal aliens) have fulfilled their sentence they should be transported somewhere deep in America and then under armed guards they work their way to the Mexican border picking up trash. Considering that they will probably break a sweat and burn up calories, three gringo burritos per day.
 
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