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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I don't know what you're saying here.
    Then I cannot help you.
    There were millions of people in North America when the first white people came. There was a genocide. Are you denying either statement?
    There was definitely a plural of millions but there was no genocide. Are you saying there was, with a clear understanding of what 'genocide' actually means?
    Don't give me that snide attitude. You stepped in on a conversation between myself and someone who did.
    Then use that quote with the other poster.
    Geezus, are you just pulling my chain?
    Go back and read the discussion you're trying to be a part of. There were big native settlements spread around North America and trade routes across the continent. It was a sophisticated culture and, in some cases, more prosperous than the societies that Europeans were fleeing from.
    You should definitely begin to provide credible links to your sources. Beliefs don't count.
    Saginaw, Taylor, Compton...
    So Saginaw, Michigan doesn't support the arts? What's this then? Home
    Where are the cities of Taylor and Compton located?
    The point (and a simple one, I thought) is that many Native towns enjoyed a level of prosperity that many Europeans could only envy and that many North American cities can't equal that prosperity today.
    It is a simple point you make and one without much truth to it as well. You should make a habit of using credible links.

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Doesnt sound like this conversation is going very well when people start referencing Mongols as a example.
    Why not? Are you aware of the enormous impact G. Khan, his sons, and grandsons had on world history?

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    No, we should allow legal immigrants to enter in a prudent and thoughtful manner. We shouldn't be just throwing the gates open 'to let most people in'. That would be imprudent.
    nah let us imprude

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    ^^
    At least he is using the bible to support what he is saying. Jesus said "Suffer the little children", and damn it, come hell or high water, he's going to make them suffer.
    It is truly laughable when leftists invoke the bible when it suits them, then denounce it the rest of the time...Kind of like declaring your lean as one thing, when all that you write points clearly to something else.
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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    The Obama-caused Crisis continues.
    It is now estimated 60,000 Fronted children will reach 90,000 by the fall, thx to the correct perceptions Barak Insane Obama has promulgated.

    Obama Said to Assure Hispanic Caucus on Deportations

    By Alexis Simendinger - July 17, 2014
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ns_123342.html

    President Obama reassured members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Wednesday that he will flex his executive muscle later this year to be "as great and big and bold as he can be" to reduce deportations of undocumented immigrant families who have lived and worked in the United States for years, one Democratic lawmaker said at the conclusion of the meeting.

    Obama tasked White House Counsel W. Neil Eggleston and Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson to meet this week with caucus members to continue examining powers the president can use to keep undocumented families together, Rep. Luis Gutierrez of Illinois told reporters.

    Meanwhile, members of the caucus are willing to give the administration expedited authority to deport a surge of unaccompanied children seeking asylum in the United States, as long as any statutory changes preserve judicial due process on a case-by-case basis, Gutierrez told RCP.

    Obama has asked Congress to approve $3.7 billion in emergency funding to address the immigration influx at the southwestern border, primarily from Central American countries, and he wants DHS to gain expedited authority to return most of the asylum-seekers to their home countries more quickly. The president also conceded recently that House Republicans will not vote on comprehensive immigration reform legislation this year, and he told his advisers to send him executive options by the end of the summer that might make some strides, even without Congress.
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    Last edited by mbig; 07-20-14 at 01:35 AM.

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    The Obama-caused Crisis continues.
    It is now estimated 60,000 Fronted children will reach 90,000 by the fall, thx to the correct perceptions Barak Insane Obama has promulgated.

    Obama Said to Assure Hispanic Caucus on Deportations

    By Alexis Simendinger - July 17, 2014
    Obama Said to Assure Hispanic Caucus on Deportations | RealClearPolitics



    SInce Israel is killing everyone in Gaza, maybe our "best ally" will agree to take these illegal immigrants and give them all new lives in the now vacant Gaza Strip.

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    It's amazing to me how quickly everyone forgets that some political groups, public figures and some not so public figures have been talking about securing the border for a long time now, yet receiving no credit or acknowledgement for their predictions.

    Perhaps the most logical thing to do is to support the political groups that made these prediction from the git go?
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Concerned about the potential militarization of the US / Mexican border?

    Cartels suspected as high-caliber gunfire sends Border Patrol scrambling on Rio Grande | Fox News

    Snipers target border agents - Washington Times

    I'd say that it's already happened. High caliber sniper rifle and the training to go with it sounds suspiciously military to me.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Concerned about the potential militarization of the US / Mexican border?

    Cartels suspected as high-caliber gunfire sends Border Patrol scrambling on Rio Grande | Fox News

    Snipers target border agents - Washington Times

    I'd say that it's already happened. High caliber sniper rifle and the training to go with it sounds suspiciously military to me.
    And yet many don't see what's going on here. The mightiest nation in the world, with the finest military, is being defeating on their home turf by child smugglers and drug dealers and in Afghanistan by peasants. This is what happens when the people ignore leadership qualifications in Presidential elections.

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I don't know what you're saying here.
    There were millions of people in North America when the first white people came. There was a genocide. Are you denying either statement?



    Don't give me that snide attitude. You stepped in on a conversation between myself and someone who did.



    Geezus, are you just pulling my chain?
    Go back and read the discussion you're trying to be a part of. There were big native settlements spread around North America and trade routes across the continent. It was a sophisticated culture and, in some cases, more prosperous than the societies that Europeans were fleeing from.



    Saginaw, Taylor, Compton...
    The point (and a simple one, I thought) is that many Native towns enjoyed a level of prosperity that many Europeans could only envy and that many North American cities can't equal that prosperity today.
    I guess it all depends on how you define prosperity. Saying that they had people that sat around and did art does not mean much. You could just as easily say that those coming from Europe were just as prosperous because they had men who sat around all day preaching religion which was what art was to some tribes.
    To me both are pretty much equality useless and are not indicative of a prosperous society
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