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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Why would a 4th Amendment apply to a non citizen?
    So I guess you think rounding up the illegals is going to be as simple as asking them all to raise their hand? You will have to request the papers of anybody that halfway looks Mexican. If you request the papers of someone who is, in fact, a citizen...that would be a violation of the 4th.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    What?
    What's a "reasonable path" for someone here ILLEGALLY?
    Do they have a 'right' to be here just because they got here and some greedy pig hired them?
    Rights in the USA are for USA citizens, not those who snuck in.

    All you gotta do is make them present National ID/e-Verify for a job, and penalize employers who break the law by hiring them.
    Don't need to Round em all up.
    They'll just Walk back across.

    That way, we also won't need to pass a Minimum Wage Bill as a True Market wage for menial jobs will Double.
    Right now the whole bottom of the labor pool is being penalized/Warped by their Illegal presence.
    You have already defined the problem...now what is the solution? Please don't waste your entire thread re-hashing the points you made in your OP.

    Move your debate forward as summize the corrections to the problems. Please don't tell me you started a thread to re-cap the obvious.


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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    They would have to have a NATIONAL ID, if/when challenged to do anything outside a house. To get to work, to live anywhere but work, to get a license, apartment, etc.
    Or all the neighbors would know that the 'Smiths' have a girl in under the Radar.
    Someone tells.
    Not around here......the Snitch rule is in effect.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    You have already defined the problem...now what is the solution? Please don't waste your entire thread re-hashing the points you made in your OP.

    Move your debate forward as summize the corrections to the problems. Please don't tell me you started a thread to re-cap the obvious.
    Dishonest reply.

    I answered your ostensibly Imponderable problem of how to round them up or get rid of them.
    I gave a solution, as well as the added benefit of liberating our [Legal] low-wage workers.

    YOU have NO ANSWER so we get your Dishonest/Incoherent deflection.
    Last edited by mbig; 07-12-14 at 12:19 AM.
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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Penalty for hiring an illegal.
    Minimums:
    First offense: $5,000
    Second......... $10,000
    Third............ Fine + Jail.

    That would go for Individuals too.
    Once examples are made, the nonsense will stop.
    If 'your' illegal can get a visa to come, OK.
    If not, tough luck.
    Enforcement, courts, judges, procecutors, support staff, buildings all costs money.


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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Enforcement, courts, judges, procecutors, support staff, buildings all costs money.
    NOT as much money as Permanent Border Fences, Guards, and decades of Welfare.
    If people know they can't get a job without National ID, they ain't coming.
    Cheapest solution by far.
    Try again?
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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Dishonest reply

    I answered your ostensibly Imponderable problem of how to round them up or get rid of them.
    I gave a solution, as well as the added benefit of liberating our [Legal] low-wage workers.

    YOU have NO ANSWER so we get your Dishonest deflection.
    You have no clue of the logistics of your rhetoric...it is simplistic thinking at best.


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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    NOT as much money as Permanent Border Fences, Guards, and decades of Welfare.
    Try again?
    Not as much....how much?


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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Not at all. We deny a business license to anyone that hires the criminals. The employers will stop hiring them and to make a life for themselves they'll go home.


    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    So I guess you think rounding up the illegals is going to be as simple as asking them all to raise their hand? You will have to request the papers of anybody that halfway looks Mexican. If you request the papers of someone who is, in fact, a citizen...that would be a violation of the 4th.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Not at all. We deny a business license to anyone that hires the criminals. The employers will stop hiring them and to make a life for themselves they'll go home.
    Most immigrants don't work for licensed employers anyway. Many mow lawns, clean houses, or do random odd-jobs for cash.

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