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Thread: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    That's an opinion piece by one guy and has no bearing on anything anywhere.

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well of course I did/do. But finding it difficult to believe that somebody would actually want to hold his own country responsible, as opposed to blind patronising rhetoric, you prefer to dismiss my US citizenship. But I couldn't care less about it.
    That's not the reason I'm asking. Just out of curiosity, were you born and raised in the US?

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]


    Technology has taken globalization from a mere concept to an actualized paradigm. The Industrial Revolution was the kick start. Capitalism fuels it. All for the .00001%. If borders interfere with profits, get rid of them.

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's not the reason I'm asking. Just out of curiosity, were you born and raised in the US?
    You asked me the same thing many months ago, and I confirmed to you that I was.
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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post

    Technology has taken globalization from a mere concept to an actualized paradigm. The Industrial Revolution was the kick start. Capitalism fuels it. All for the .00001%. If borders interfere with profits, get rid of them.
    Yes, my point exactly.


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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You asked me the same thing many months ago, and I confirmed to you that I was.
    Then why would you spell the word 'Neighbour' with a 'U' rather than writing it as 'Neighbor', as the Americans do. That is the British and Canadian way to spell the word, not American. You seem to have your spell check wired to the wrong country.

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Perhaps we should move back to the pre-Industrial Revolution days. Life was so much less complicated then.

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador all have 'impediments known as borders'. Canada too. All these countries seem to think that borders are a good thing because it defines their country. If America wants to throw away the concept of borders it should first get an agreement and cooperation with every other country involved before acting unilaterally.

    Who told you 'globalization' has no use for borders?
    Allowing more immigration and throwing away borders are two completely different things. Nobody is advocating that the US abolish its borders and cease to be a country.

    Citizens of European Union member states and their families have the right to live and work anywhere within the EU because of EU citizenship. Germany is still Germany. France is still France. The map looks the same--both countries still have their borders and their identity.
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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Not surprising that DC based think tank economist educated at California Institute of Technology is of this opinion.
    Michael A. Clemens is an American development economist.
    He is a senior fellow and research manager at the Center for Global Development (CGD), a Washington D.C.-based think tank as well as a visiting scholar at the Financial Access Initiative, a research center housed at the Wagner Graduate School of Public Service at New York University.
    Michael Clemens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post

    Technology has taken globalization from a mere concept to an actualized paradigm. The Industrial Revolution was the kick start. Capitalism fuels it. All for the .00001%. If borders interfere with profits, get rid of them.
    That is just plain nonsense....

    To people arguing for the dissolution of the US southern border, consider for a second how Mexico treats illegal aliens in its country....

    "Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals.

    The law also says Mexico can deport foreigners who are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” violate Mexican law, are not “physically or mentally healthy” or lack the “necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents.


    Read more: Mexico's illegals laws tougher than Arizona's - Washington Times
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