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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

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    Is a country without borders a sovereign nation?
    No, but globalisation looks past, and has no use for the impediment known as borders.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, but globalisation looks past, and has no use for the impediment known as borders.
    Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador all have 'impediments known as borders'. Canada too. All these countries seem to think that borders are a good thing because it defines their country. If America wants to throw away the concept of borders it should first get an agreement and cooperation with every other country involved before acting unilaterally.

    Who told you 'globalization' has no use for borders?

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador all have 'impediments known as borders'. Canada too. All these countries seem to think that borders are a good thing because it defines their country. If America wants to throw away the concept of borders it should first get an agreement and cooperation with every other country involved before acting unilaterally.

    Who told you 'globalization' has no use for borders?
    Haha, the US seeking agreement or cooperation from its southern neighbours.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Haha, the US seeking agreement or cooperation from its southern neighbours.
    Do you believe they are doing that? Are the Central American nations making moves in that direction?

    Of course not! What is being suggested by many is that an open border policy should be exclusive to the United States.

    I thought you couldn't possible be an American and it seems you are not.

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Is a country without borders a sovereign nation?
    To this question, I'd have to say 'No'.
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, but globalisation looks past, and has no use for the impediment known as borders.
    Globalization is a economic and cultural thing, who produces what and where, and to which customer base it's sold to. Doesn't speak to immigration, legal or illegal.
    Globalization (or globalisation) is the process of international integration arising from the interchange of world views, products, ideas, and other aspects of culture.[1][2] Advances in transportation and telecommunications infrastructure, including the rise of the telegraph and its posterity the Internet, are major factors in globalization, generating further interdependence of economic and cultural activities.[3]
    Globalization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There is no 'globalization' of national borders.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you believe they are doing that? Are the Central American nations making moves in that direction?

    Of course not! What is being suggested by many is that an open border policy should be exclusive to the United States.

    I thought you couldn't possible be an American and it seems you are not.
    My citizenship is irrelevant, and could hardly be proved on an Internet forum. What's difficult for you to comprehend is somebody actually holding there own accountable. And no surprise, little as that is seen.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    My citizenship is irrelevant, and could hardly be proved on an Internet forum. What's difficult for you to comprehend is somebody actually holding there own accountable. And no surprise, little as that is seen.
    So you did not claim at one time to being American?

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    To this question, I'd have to say 'No'.


    Globalization is a economic and cultural thing, who produces what and where, and to which customer base it's sold to. Doesn't speak to immigration, legal or illegal.
    Globalization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There is no 'globalization' of national borders.
    The two aren't exclusive.

    A world without borders makes economic sense | Michael A Clemens | Global development | theguardian.com
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Haha, the US seeking agreement or cooperation from its southern neighbours.
    You're right, the US doesn't have that much foreign assistance money.
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    Re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So you did not claim at one time to being American?
    Well of course I did/do. But finding it difficult to believe that somebody would actually want to hold his own country responsible, as opposed to blind patronising rhetoric, you prefer to dismiss my US citizenship. But I couldn't care less about it.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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