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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    It's the law.

    Not sure if you're old enough to remember when we (America) use to be a nation of laws. America was different back then, it was like, like America.

    The imprisonment of illegal aliens is used as a form of punishment and a deterrent. For some strange reason punishment does seem to be a deterrent.

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio sure knows how to incarcerate criminals without the taxpayers spending so much money.

    Tent city prisons out in the middle of the desert. Two gringo burritos per day.

    When they (illegal aliens) have fulfilled their sentence they should be transported somewhere deep in America and then under armed guards they work their way to the Mexican border picking up trash. Considering that they will probably break a sweat and burn up calories, three gringo burritos per day.
    Don't you think that a determent, so they wouldn't come here in the first place, would be a better and cheaper plan?
    Drying up the illegal jobs makes more sense.
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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

    8 U.S. Code 1325 - Improper entry by alien | LII / Legal Information Institute
    It says fined OR imprisoned, realistically I would rather we fine them and deport, that would be a heck of a lot cheaper than putting them in prison and overwhelming our system. Isn't the end result to get them out of the country.

    Also, if we deport, we the taxpayer don't have to pay for any legal representation.


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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    It's the law.

    Not sure if you're old enough to remember when we (America) use to be a nation of laws. America was different back then, it was like, like America.

    The imprisonment of illegal aliens is used as a form of punishment and a deterrent. For some strange reason punishment does seem to be a deterrent.

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio sure knows how to incarcerate criminals without the taxpayers spending so much money.

    Tent city prisons out in the middle of the desert. Two gringo burritos per day.When they (illegal aliens) have fulfilled their sentence they should be transported somewhere deep in America and then under armed guards they work their way to the Mexican border picking up trash. Considering that they will probably break a sweat and burn up calories, three gringo burritos per day.
    I love that idea, don't know why we don't do that for all prisoners.


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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Derp View Post
    It says fined OR imprisoned, realistically I would rather we fine them and deport, that would be a heck of a lot cheaper than putting them in prison and overwhelming our system. Isn't the end result to get them out of the country.

    Also, if we deport, we the taxpayer don't have to pay for any legal representation.

    How do you fine someone who has no money?
    I say fine the illegal employers . The small businesses and contractors that hire undocumented workers illegally.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    What's a "Gringo Burrito"? I am offended.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    How do you fine someone who has no money?
    I say fine the illegal employers . The small businesses and contractors that hire undocumented workers illegally.
    I'm sure the family members who they are contacting to relocate them with have some moneys.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    So again you state your opinion as fact. You offer no facts. And worse you expect everyone here to believe your opinion is gospel. Either back it up with some data or recognize you really don't know jack.

    Here is a fact for you. 120 million homes in America, and I assure you 12 million criminal aliens are mowing 10 lawns each!


    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Go to any 7/11 or Home Depot in the South, particularly Texas or California, you will see all the proof you need. I've seen it myself. Dozens of Mexicans standing around waiting for someone to drive by looking for cheap lawnmowers/maids/etc. Even if you manage to successfully implement your authoritarian National ID card and have everyone ask permission from the government to get a job, that will do nothing to deter them from seeking jobs under the table. If anything it will increase the chance of them joining gangs and mafias.

    Not all work is provided by licensed employers, and the unlicensed ones are nearly impossible to track. Your plan will just drive them further "underground" so to speak.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    So again you state your opinion as fact. You offer no facts. And worse you expect everyone here to believe your opinion is gospel. Either back it up with some data or recognize you really don't know jack.

    Here is a fact for you. 120 million homes in America, and I assure you 12 million criminal aliens are mowing 10 lawns each!
    how do you recognize a illegal alien.
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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    As I pointed out. The issue is not to identify one it's to not employ one. My solution posted in this thread was to pull the business license of any business that hires criminal aliens. Businesses can use eVerify to insure the social security number matches the person they are hiring. I would not give criminals here drivers licenses, and other forms of ID that make it harder for employers to deny criminals the jobs they are stealing that Americans can and should do.


    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    how do you recognize a illegal alien.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    As I pointed out. The issue is not to identify one it's to not employ one. My solution posted in this thread was to pull the business license of any business that hires criminal aliens. Businesses can use eVerify to insure the social security number matches the person they are hiring. I would not give criminals here drivers licenses, and other forms of ID that make it harder for employers to deny criminals the jobs they are stealing that Americans can and should do.
    but what about the will of the free market?
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