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Thread: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I'd prefer that you stay on the board so I can
    Yeah right.....

    Keep on believing the lies.

    If I called myself a progressive you would be at attention.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Maybe instead of the US making Mexico a state....Mexico will just annex the US.

    I vote we give em So Cal? I'll miss Disney but I can't afford it anymore anyway....
    There is another Disney park in Florida.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Sheriff Joe Arpaio knows how to do it the right way.

    8 U.S. Code 1325 - Improper entry by alien

    (a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
    Any alien who

    (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
    (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
    (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

    8 U.S. Code 1325 - Improper entry by alien | LII / Legal Information Institute
    I find it ironic that a sheriff apparently knows the law better than our Justice Department!

    Greetings, APACHERAT.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Ok, so if you won't give them amnesty and you won't even provide a reasonable path to citizenship, what exactly are you going to do with the thousands of immigrants that have already crossed the border and have made lives here? I see no viable way of sending them all home without infringing on the 4th amendment and wasting a ton of taxpayer money. You must also keep in mind that you will end up tearing families apart and damaging the lives of those who aren't "legal" but have lived their whole lives here.
    Funny how people can figure out how to build airplanes and cure diseases (which these illegals have) yet there is "no way" we can deport illegals??????

    Oh, we can deport illegals - you just don't want them deported - nor does any progressive fascist.

    Of course once they take YOUR JOB you will be all salty and will take a different position..... Why? because you don't care unless you're affected........ GRRRR....

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I find it ironic that a sheriff apparently knows the law better than our Justice Department!

    Greetings, APACHERAT.
    Afternoon Polgara

    Joe Arpaio aka Americas Sheriff has more experience in law enforcement than any appointed member in the Obama administration.

    Arpaio use to be a federal law enforcement agent with in the Department of Justice.

    You would think the Secretary of Homeland Security would have military experience or at least law enforcement experience. Not in the Obama administration.

    The same with the director of Immigration Customs and Immigration (ICE), but not in the Obama administration.

    Then there's Obama's Attorney General Eric Holder, His job is not being the Attorney General for America but to protect Obama and his incompetent administration.

    A competent POTUS would appoint someone like Joe Arpaio as Secretary of DHS or put in charge of ICE.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah but how would people know.....most aren't up into their neighbors business. I doubt any questions their neighbors if they are or someone living with them is here legally.
    Make it so that the illegal can turn them in for all of the money they are fined. Puts them in a distrustful, adversarial relationship with would be employers. When the illegal is ready to go back, they will turn them in. It won't take long before it is like zero hiring of illegals.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, that's unfortunately not true at this point. But seriously, have you seen anyone here arguing that employers be let off the hook in this?
    No but I haven't seen many aggressively looking to punish them either.
    I believe it would be much cheaper and efficient to pursue this line of action fining and punishing illegal employers rather than trying to build and expensive wall or a fence patrolled by guards. If the word gets out that there is no illegal employment, the illegal immigrants will not come here.
    IMHO small businesses and contractors are the main culprits in our illegal immigrant problem.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Make it so that the illegal can turn them in for all of the money they are fined. Puts them in a distrustful, adversarial relationship with would be employers. When the illegal is ready to go back, they will turn them in. It won't take long before it is like zero hiring of illegals.
    I like that idea Dezaad. It would make the whole thing self policing.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Sheriff Joe Arpaio knows how to do it the right way.

    8 U.S. Code 1325 - Improper entry by alien

    (a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
    Any alien who

    (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
    (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
    (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

    8 U.S. Code 1325 - Improper entry by alien | LII / Legal Information Institute
    Do you really believe that imprisoning illegals is the answer?
    The costs would be staggering.

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    re: Gutierrez Urges Obama to Let Undocumented Immigrants Stay [W:128]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Do you really believe that imprisoning illegals is the answer?
    The costs would be staggering.
    It's the law.

    Not sure if you're old enough to remember when we (America) use to be a nation of laws. America was different back then, it was like, like America.

    The imprisonment of illegal aliens is used as a form of punishment and a deterrent. For some strange reason punishment does seem to be a deterrent.

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio sure knows how to incarcerate criminals without the taxpayers spending so much money.

    Tent city prisons out in the middle of the desert. Two gringo burritos per day.

    When they (illegal aliens) have fulfilled their sentence they should be transported somewhere deep in America and then under armed guards they work their way to the Mexican border picking up trash. Considering that they will probably break a sweat and burn up calories, three gringo burritos per day.

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