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    Re: Judge throws out Florida's congressional map

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Surely you are joking? The ones that are most into gerrymandering are the right-wing conservatives who can't win a race unless they draw wacky boundaries.
    Utter nonsense. Gerrymandering is one of the truly bipartisan acts out there. Every one does it and state otherwise is utter partisan hackery.

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    Re: Judge throws out Florida's congressional map

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Good, I think when it comes to redistricting a simple rule should apply. Counties should remain whole as much as possible. If Florida has 27 congressional districts, no more than 14 counties should have to be divided between districts. All the rest should be able to remain whole.
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    Re: Judge throws out Florida's congressional map

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Damn logic. Clearly you do not work for the government.
    46 years with the government, 20 years active duty military, another 26 working for the army as a DA civilian. But never as a politician. I hope this does not lower your esteem or doom my logic?
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    Re: Judge throws out Florida's congressional map

    Yes, my state's a political cesspool, not the least surprising.

    Sad, really.
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    Re: Judge throws out Florida's congressional map

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Utter nonsense. Gerrymandering is one of the truly bipartisan acts out there. Every one does it and state otherwise is utter partisan hackery.

    Just because it is bi-partisan doesn't make it right.

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    Re: Judge throws out Florida's congressional map

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Surely you are joking? The ones that are most into gerrymandering are the right-wing conservatives who can't win a race unless they draw wacky boundaries.
    Gerrymandering is done by both parties. The reason it seems that today the republicans do it more is because they have more governors than the democrats and control both chambers of the state legislatures more than the Democrats. Actually since 1930 only 4 times has a party received more congressional votes than the other party and not controlled the House.


    There are 24 states that have a Republican Governor and both chambers of the state legislature
    13 states that have a Democratic Governor and both chambers of the state legislature
    4 states have a Democratic Governor and a Republican controlled legislature
    4 states have a Republican Governor and a Democratic controlled legislature
    1 state has a Republican Governor and a split state legislature
    4 states have a Democratic Governor and a split state legislature.

    So only those state with the governor and both chambers of the state legislature in the same parties hands are able to gerrymander.

    4 times since 1930, each party was able to maintain control of the House twice even though they received the lesser amount of the total congressional vote.


    In 1930 the Republicans won 52.8% of the congressional vote to the Democrats 44.5%, yet the Democrats won the House by the slimmest of margins 218-217

    In 1942 the Republicans received 50.7% of the congressional vote to the Democrats 47.0%, but the Democrats continued their control of the House by a 222-209 margin

    In 1952 the Democrats won 49.8% of the congressional vote to the Republicans 49.3% but the Republicans gained control of the House from the Democrats by a 221-213 margin.

    Then as you point out, in 2012 the Republicans received 47.6% of the congressional votes compared to 48.8% for the Democrats, yet the Republicans maintained control of House.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Judge throws out Florida's congressional map

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Why? The whole point is it should not be political but administrative. Use the county lines as districts, just as you use state lines for Senators. The county lines usually never change do they?



    It dont have to be....



    Ultimately yes as everything else, but the process can be as unpolitical as you want it.



    Split the island in 2 depending on where the population is. Pretty simple. If the population is centered in a major city, then split the city down the middle. It is pretty simple.



    And? How is that the fault of the districting? The problem is two big parties and the inability for other parties to get in.



    That will happen naturally. For example in Denmark everyone knows that certain districts of Copenhagen will most likely vote left, and other areas in the suburbs will vote right. You cant avoid having certain districts vote for one party or another, but what you can avoid is specifically designing those districts so they will always vote for one party or another. Now nothing is ever set in stone as people change their views over time.



    Why do "minorities" need representation? I understand it was a problem in the 1960s but now? I thought your country was over its racist past and even if it aint, then getting rid of "minority" districts is the way forward. Some areas will automatically be minority districts, where others wont.. minorities tend to keep together.. even though people tend to deny this on these boards.



    Sorry I do not buy that. The political leaning of the area in question is often decided by economics and in the case of the US.. sadly still race. For example, as I pointed out in Copenhagen. The areas that vote left, are the "poorer" traditionally worker class areas. The areas that vote right, are traditionally middle and upper class pro Royalty areas. The districts were not created to favor these populations, as our districts are based on population and geographic criteria. That is why the rural districts tend to vote center right, but the cities/larger towns tend to vote center left. It is just how it is. But what we do is use a commission based on all the political parties plus bureaucrats to maintain the district boundaries and so on. No one party can "build its own" district.
    Skipped all the split quotes. I hate them. Races are the ones demanding gerrymandering. This ruling was partly because a black representative had come to an agreement with republican leadership to carve out her district to ensure a black person was represented in congress.

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    Re: Judge throws out Florida's congressional map

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Skipped all the split quotes. I hate them. Races are the ones demanding gerrymandering. This ruling was partly because a black representative had come to an agreement with republican leadership to carve out her district to ensure a black person was represented in congress.
    That may be, and in a way knowing how racist the US can be... I understand it.. but both parties and the GOP especially, have abused the system to such a degree that it has gone beyond giving a voice to minorities and is being used to secure future political power.. and that is just wrong. Hence take out the political aspect in districting.
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    Re: Judge throws out Florida's congressional map

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    46 years with the government, 20 years active duty military, another 26 working for the army as a DA civilian. But never as a politician. I hope this does not lower your esteem or doom my logic?
    I have 10 years on active myself. I understand completely.
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