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    Re: Judge throws out Florida's congressional map

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Oops. Florida again. LOL.

    Article is here.
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    Re: Judge throws out Florida's congressional map

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    1.4 million fewer votes and holding a 33 seat lead in the House would indicate that Republicans are better at it.
    how does a total national vote count point to state level gerrymandering?

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    Re: Judge throws out Florida's congressional map

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Simple...what is fair, is not having a political aspect involved in defining districts. There should be only condition for any district.. population. Make up of that population is irrelevant. A district can be huge or small geography wise... it is irrelevant. It is the population size that matters. It would also mean you get rid of the crazy districts what twist and turn to meet some warped conditions on race and party affiliation. All districts should be as square or rectangular as possible.

    If you really want to be seen as a nation where race or ethnicity does not matter, then THIS is what you have to do.
    It has to be political given the issue is political election districts, and they are decided by politicians, put in place by the political process. I dont see how to do it otherwise. Take an island with 50% of each party, and 25% minority. How do you create two fair districts?

    -two squares would ensure a crapshoot on parties and no minority ever being able to win
    -a district with mostly one party in each district would ensure each party had representation
    -a district with the entire minority in one district would ensure minority representation

    Each one is fair depending on your viewpoint. And people will naturally gravitate to communities who agree with them. Which why in florida the panhandle is conservative, and the south is liberal and the center is a mix

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    Re: Judge throws out Florida's congressional map

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Gerrymandering - the fundamental key to progressiveism. If you can't beat em' draw a line.
    Surely you are joking? The ones that are most into gerrymandering are the right-wing conservatives who can't win a race unless they draw wacky boundaries.
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    Re: Judge throws out Florida's congressional map

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Gerrymandering - the fundamental key to progressiveism. If you can't beat em' draw a line.
    This is a ruling AGAINST gerrymandering which was made illegal in Florida in the last election. The most gerrymandered State is Texas, that bastion of progressivism.

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    Re: Judge throws out Florida's congressional map

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Gerrymandering - the fundamental key to progressiveism. If you can't beat em' draw a line.
    I thought that was what the G in GOP stood for.


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    Re: Judge throws out Florida's congressional map

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    how does a total national vote count point to state level gerrymandering?
    House seats are based on population and those that get the most votes would normally win, except for gerrymandering.
    Take a look at this Florida District, one of the ones being thrown out.


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    Re: Judge throws out Florida's congressional map

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    House seats are based on population and those that get the most votes would normally win, except for gerrymandering.
    Take a look at this Florida District, one of the ones being thrown out.

    you are conflating local election results with a nation vote total.....that's ****ing stupid.

    and yes, some gerrymandered districts are ****ing stupid too..... both parties are incredibly guilty of this kind of bull****.


    the one you show in Florida is pretty bad.... and the illinois 4th is even worse
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    Re: Judge throws out Florida's congressional map

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Top 20 population per district:

    Montana
    Delaware
    South Dakota
    Idaho
    Oregon
    Iowa
    Louisiana
    Oklahoma
    Missouri
    Mississippi
    North Carolina
    New Jersey
    Arkansas
    Massachusetts
    Virginia
    Kentucky
    Maryland
    Ohio
    Colorado
    Indiana
    this doesn't disprove my point.
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    Re: Judge throws out Florida's congressional map

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    It has to be political given the issue is political election districts,
    Why? The whole point is it should not be political but administrative. Use the county lines as districts, just as you use state lines for Senators. The county lines usually never change do they?

    they are decided by politicians,
    It dont have to be....

    put in place by the political process.
    Ultimately yes as everything else, but the process can be as unpolitical as you want it.

    I dont see how to do it otherwise. Take an island with 50% of each party, and 25% minority. How do you create two fair districts?
    Split the island in 2 depending on where the population is. Pretty simple. If the population is centered in a major city, then split the city down the middle. It is pretty simple.

    -two squares would ensure a crapshoot on parties and no minority ever being able to win
    And? How is that the fault of the districting? The problem is two big parties and the inability for other parties to get in.

    -a district with mostly one party in each district would ensure each party had representation
    That will happen naturally. For example in Denmark everyone knows that certain districts of Copenhagen will most likely vote left, and other areas in the suburbs will vote right. You cant avoid having certain districts vote for one party or another, but what you can avoid is specifically designing those districts so they will always vote for one party or another. Now nothing is ever set in stone as people change their views over time.

    -a district with the entire minority in one district would ensure minority representation
    Why do "minorities" need representation? I understand it was a problem in the 1960s but now? I thought your country was over its racist past and even if it aint, then getting rid of "minority" districts is the way forward. Some areas will automatically be minority districts, where others wont.. minorities tend to keep together.. even though people tend to deny this on these boards.

    Each one is fair depending on your viewpoint. And people will naturally gravitate to communities who agree with them. Which why in florida the panhandle is conservative, and the south is liberal and the center is a mix
    Sorry I do not buy that. The political leaning of the area in question is often decided by economics and in the case of the US.. sadly still race. For example, as I pointed out in Copenhagen. The areas that vote left, are the "poorer" traditionally worker class areas. The areas that vote right, are traditionally middle and upper class pro Royalty areas. The districts were not created to favor these populations, as our districts are based on population and geographic criteria. That is why the rural districts tend to vote center right, but the cities/larger towns tend to vote center left. It is just how it is. But what we do is use a commission based on all the political parties plus bureaucrats to maintain the district boundaries and so on. No one party can "build its own" district.
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