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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

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    lol all you are running is clinton and you have the gull to say we have no one?
    that is rich myopic view is myopic.
    You are one of very few that don't believe that Clinton is a formidable candidate and I doubt seriously that you even actually believe that. Sorry....but the nomination and the Presidency are her's if she wants it.....absent some unknown event or someone in the GOP comes out of the woodwork, because the current sorry lot doesn't cut it. Almost makes the 2008 and 2012 GOP candidates look good.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

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    GOP ConservaTEAs have been singing "4 dead in Ben--gha--zi" since that terrible day. What short memories these "mission accomplished" folks have of 9/11 and the disastrous CHOICE to destabilize Iraq. Everyday 22 more Iraqi Veterans commit suicide and "silence of the lambs" .
    Seems you need reminding

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You are one of very few that don't believe that Clinton is a formidable candidate and I doubt seriously that you even actually believe that. Sorry....but the nomination and the Presidency are her's if she wants it.....absent some unknown event or someone in the GOP comes out of the woodwork, because the current sorry lot doesn't cut it. Almost makes the 2008 and 2012 GOP candidates look good.
    Yeah, Clinton was a shoe in in 2008 and look what happened. So much for "it's her's if she wants it"
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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Conservatives do not get to say **** about politicizing the death of those people.
    you tell em!... .only liberals get to politicize those deaths and conservatives should back the **** off!

    get em!

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, so you're talking about a different "marching order" I assume that has nothing to do with the so-called 'stand down' order.

    It's why I asked, because I can't tell what the person was talking about.

    And I'm sorry, but right wingers whinging about democrats "politicizing the deaths of four dead Americans" just disqualifies you. Romney put out a statement condemning the Obama admin while the bodies were still warm, and the GOP has held non-stop hearings on this for two years. Give me a break.


    No, I'm talking about Hillary's glaring dereliction of duty and the attempted Democrat cover up for Political purposes.

    It's not a different " marching order" , it's entirely relevant.

    You seem to have no problem justifying the response by the Obama administration by citing hindsight but the truth is the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton failed to provide adequate Security even after the terrorist blew a 12 foot hole in the Embassy wall.


    You guys are trying to make the case that those military assets were told not to leave because they were needed in Tripoli.

    The fact there wasn't sufficient assets off site to defend the Embassy or to mount a successful rescue during the attack, after Chris Stevens repeated and ignored request for more security and after every other Nation got the hell out of there or is just more proof of just how incompetent and unqualified this President is AND Hillary Clinton is.

    Unfortunately, some people didn't learn the lesson of just how important it is to elect a qualified leader and not fall prey to empty platitudes and bumper sticker slogans.

    The only plan of action from Washington and from Hillary Clinton's State department centered around a Bull s*** narrative about a video because 4 Dead Americans this close to an election was Politically inconvenient.

    Seriously, the attack started 4 PM Washington time and they knew immediately. 6 Hours later Hillary releases her press statement blaming it o a video.

    What disqualifies YOU is your unending defense of a Administration and a State Department that chose to not only lie to the American people but to also lie to the Families of the four dead Americans because a terrorist attack on a US embassy this close to a election threatened Obama politically.

    Your'e taking up for a Women who stood in front of 4 coffins and perpetuated the Bull S*** narrative about a video so yea, your'e hardly in a place to pass moral judgment on " Right Wingers"
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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Sorry, right wingers, there was no stand down order in Benghazi.



    APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi - ABC News

    WASHINGTON Jul 10, 2014, 5:14 PM ET
    By BRADLEY KLAPPER and DONNA CASSATA Associated Press

    The testimony of nine military officers undermines contentions by Republican lawmakers that a "stand-down order" held back military assets that could have saved the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans killed at a diplomatic outpost and CIA annex in Benghazi, Libya.

    The "stand-down" theory centers on a Special Operations team of four a detachment leader, a medic, a communications expert and a weapons operator with his foot in a cast who were stopped from flying from Tripoli to Benghazi after the attacks of Sept. 11-12, 2012, had ended. Instead, they were instructed to help protect and care for those being evacuated from Benghazi and from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli.

    The senior military officer who issued the instruction to "remain in place" and the detachment leader who received it said it was the right decision and has been widely mischaracterized. The order was to remain in Tripoli and protect some three dozen embassy personnel rather than fly to Benghazi some 600 miles away after all Americans there would have been evacuated. And the medic is credited with saving the life of an evacuee from the attacks.

    Transcripts of hours of closed-door interviews with the military leaders by the House Armed Services and Oversight and Government Reform committees were made public for the first time on Wednesday. The Associated Press had reviewed the material ahead of its release.

    Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the Oversight panel, has suggested Hillary Rodham Clinton gave the order, though as secretary of state at the time, she was not in the military chain of command.

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    I'm betting that you're feeling pretty good about investigating the matter now, aren't ya?

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Certainly mistakes were made and the results were tragic.....but there is a big difference between the hyperpartisan feigned outrage conspiracy theories and what in hindsight should have been handled better.
    Lol !

    No, it wasn't hyper-partisan to perpetuate some BS narrative about a internet video.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol !

    No, it wasn't hyper-partisan to perpetuate some BS narrative about a internet video.
    I'm just curious - why did those guys attack when they did? And how did we know immediately that their motives, that I still don't understand, were not the same as the motives for other attacks on U.S. interests in that general region on the same day?

    I suspect the motives were related to the CIA operations out of those locations, which were obviously secret and not something the administration was going to broadcast on day one, or any day really, since those activities were secret. Remember, incompetent Petraeus, who was in charge of the CIA operations that were attacked, and at least bears co-responsibility for the security in place for his operation. And even after his incompetent security arrangements allowed for a deadly attack, he didn't even have the guts to show up at the memorial for his own dead employees. Or he was trying to distance himself from the fact that it was a CIA operation being run out of the locations attacked. One of the two.

    But I'm off track - even now I don't know WHY they attacked those CIA outposts. So I was hoping someone could tell me what the reason was, since everyone is sure what it was not and was sure on day 1 what it was not, and the only way to know that is to know the REAL reason. Can anyone fill me in?

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No, I'm talking about Hillary's glaring dereliction of duty and the attempted Democrat cover up for Political purposes.

    You seem to have no problem justifying the response by the Obama administration by citing hindsight but the truth is the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton failed to provide adequate Security even after the terrorist blew a 12 foot hole in the Embassy wall.


    You guys are trying to make the case that those military assets were told not to leave because they were needed in Tripoli.

    The fact there wasn't sufficient assets off site to defend the Embassy or to mount a successful rescue during the attack, after Chris Stevens repeated and ignored request for more security and after every other Nation got the hell out of there or is just more proof of just how incompetent and unqualified this President is AND Hillary Clinton is.
    This brings up something else I've wondered about. It was a CIA operation being run under State Dept cover. And Petraeus reported to Clapper. So if there was a decision to close down that CIA operation, who makes it? Does Petraeus talk to Clinton at State and they make a joint decision, or does Hillary just tell Petraeus and Clapper that their operation is being shuttered and they'll have to talk to Obama if they have a problem, or does Petraeus through Clapper make that call to shut down an active operation in Benghazi, and Hillary is just the person putting pen to paper to make the order decided ultimately by the DNI?

    It's kind of a weird thing - CIA operatives being paid by CIA and directed by CIA, but under State cover, so who is responsible? I don't know, which is why I'm asking. And I'm wondering why no one ever mentions Petraeus or Clapper in all this. Sort of strange - at a minimum they share responsibility for the entire operation, including when to shut it down, how much security is needed to protect CIA assets and their operations there, etc.

    Seriously, the attack started 4 PM Washington time and they knew immediately. 6 Hours later Hillary releases her press statement blaming it o a video.
    I'm curious, what did they "know" immediately. Lots of conflicting reports coming out those first few days, including people on the ground - locals - blaming the attack on the video. So what did they 'know?'

    What disqualifies YOU is your unending defense of a Administration and a State Department that chose to not only lie to the American people but to also lie to the Families of the four dead Americans because a terrorist attack on a US embassy this close to a election threatened Obama politically.
    I said so above, but I'm still not sure if it was a 'terrorist' attack or more akin to an act of war on U.S. interests in that area. After all, if it was in response to whatever the spooks were doing, that's not exactly a terror attack, as it had an operational purpose beyond the "death to America" motives of your average terrorist nutjob.

    Your'e taking up for a Women who stood in front of 4 coffins and perpetuated the Bull S*** narrative about a video so yea, your'e hardly in a place to pass moral judgment on " Right Wingers"
    Actually, I'm pointing out obvious problems with the right wing narrative.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm just curious - why did those guys attack when they did? And how did we know immediately that their motives, that I still don't understand, were not the same as the motives for other attacks on U.S. interests in that general region on the same day?

    I suspect the motives were related to the CIA operations out of those locations, which were obviously secret and not something the administration was going to broadcast on day one, or any day really, since those activities were secret. Remember, incompetent Petraeus, who was in charge of the CIA operations that were attacked, and at least bears co-responsibility for the security in place for his operation. And even after his incompetent security arrangements allowed for a deadly attack, he didn't even have the guts to show up at the memorial for his own dead employees. Or he was trying to distance himself from the fact that it was a CIA operation being run out of the locations attacked. One of the two.

    But I'm off track - even now I don't know WHY they attacked those CIA outposts. So I was hoping someone could tell me what the reason was, since everyone is sure what it was not and was sure on day 1 what it was not, and the only way to know that is to know the REAL reason. Can anyone fill me in?

    Yea the left wings tried the CIA angle already.

    In a desperate attempt to disconnect Obama and Hillary from the Benghazi attack, conspiracy theories started rolling in as soon as it became apparent that the whole Internet video narrative was made up.

    It was a CIA gun running operation and the White House had no control over it.

    Anyway, it didn't gain much traction because of the WH's initial reaction to the attack and because of the actions of other Foreign Governments and the Red Cross who decided to get the hell out of there ASAP.

    Why would Hillary and Obama take the chance of getting caught in a lie over a operation that they had no control over in the first place ?

    Why would Western Governments chose to pick up and leave ?

    No, setting up a Embassy in Lybia was an attempt to manufacture a Foreign policy narrative that Obama and his greatness had our enemies in the run.

    Everyone but the US bailed out because there had been clear indications that the local Islamic extremists were planning on a attack of all Western interest.

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