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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You are correct, I am not sorry. The right wingers need to come to the conclusion that the troops were needed in Tripoli and there was no "stand down order" given thus there was no way the four people could have been saved.
    But there was a stand down order. Your article confirms it. So lets consider that fact. In which case the real argument is over whether the order was right or wrong.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    But there was a stand down order. Your article confirms it. So lets consider that fact. In which case the real argument is over whether the order was right or wrong.
    No, there wasn't, "stand down" is a military term which has a specific meaning and that wasn't given.
    Stand-down | Define Stand-down at Dictionary.com


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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Conservatives do not get to say **** about politicizing the death of those people.
    EXACTLY.....the ones politicizing the issue are the Repubs who are desperate to try to make some political gain off of this. They have tried 2749 times to get some political clout out of this and have come up empty handed each time.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You are correct, I am not sorry. The right wingers need to come to the conclusion that the troops were needed in Tripoli and there was no "stand down order" given thus there was no way the four people could have been saved.

    Was there a US Embassy under attack in Tripoli ?

    And is there a measurable distinction between " stand down " and " remain in place " ?

    Its all nonsense anyway because the dereliction came in the form of a
    lack of Securtity preparation for a American Embassy that had been attacked prior to the September 11th attack.

    Not only did the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton NOT send in more Security before the attack, but there wasn't even backup outside rescources set up in the case of a attack.

    Now to all Liberals, THIS is why its important to VET YOUR Candidates.

    This is why qualifications matter.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Was there a US Embassy under attack in Tripoli ?

    And is there a measurable distinction between " stand down " and " remain in place " ?

    Its all nonsense anyway because the dereliction came in the form of a
    lack of Securtity preparation for a American Embassy that had been attacked prior to the September 11th attack.

    Not only did the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton NOT send in more Security before the attack, but there wasn't even backup outside rescources set up in the case of a attack.

    Now to all Liberals, THIS is why its important to VET YOUR Candidates.

    This is why qualifications matter.
    LOL....seriously? Keep digging for something that isn't there. Maybe you guys will find it the 3477th time.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....seriously? Keep digging for something that isn't there. Maybe you guys will find it the 3477th time.

    Hahahaha !

    Could you possibly post a more inane and empty response ?

    You didn't even adress the content of my post.

    You just showed up and decided that you were going to win troll post of the day.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    No, there wasn't, "stand down" is a military term which has a specific meaning and that wasn't given.
    Stand-down | Define Stand-down at Dictionary.com
    Thats a dictionary website, not a military handbook. Please show me the official military source which details those specific words are to be used. And how saying "remain in place" to a unit about to leave is not the exact same thing. I have to see any official documentation, just testimony. The people there say they were told to stand down, and officers say they werent.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Thats a dictionary website, not a military handbook. Please show me the official military source which details those specific words are to be used. And how saying "remain in place" to a unit about to leave is not the exact same thing. I have to see any official documentation, just testimony. The people there say they were told to stand down, and officers say they werent.
    Look for your own sources Jonny, I am not here to do your research. According to the report in the OP seven military officers said there wasn't a "stand down" order given and that's good enough for me, if it isn't for you, I guess that's tough **** for you.


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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I dont think youre actually sorry. Im not sure what your point is though? That the exact wording is wrong? Your article said they were ordered to 'remain in place'. Should right wingers change their theory to it being a 'remain in place' order? Or are you trying to make a broader point that the spec ops team could not have helped so the stand down order (sorry, the remain in place order) was the right thing?
    According to testimony that was made available months ago, there were many operational reasons why it made no sense to fly that team from Tripoli to Benghazi. The short version was if the team had boarded a plane to fly to help, they'd have passed in flight the first plane carrying the wounded to Tripoli, where they would have just left, and would have arrived after the evacuation was complete, and all that was left was to get the remaining, uninjured personnel to where they needed to go, with staff on hand capable of getting that done, which they did. In other words, they wouldn't have helped much, if any, even with 20-20 hindsight, and were more needed right where they were, in Tripoli, to deal with the returning wounded and provide security to that base.

    The whole "stand down order" so-called controversy was BS from the start. The only thing that's confusing today is why this is news. It wouldn't be if people read testimony already made available on that decision. And even if the order turned out to be wrong in real time, why is that a controversy, unless people in charge in the military of making those decisions received orders from the WH to let them die or something, which no one has suggested, alleged, provided any proof of, etc. It's understandable that if people made bad decisions that in inquiry into why, in order to learn and make better decisions later, would be entirely appropriate, but that's not a scandal. That's people looking into a decision as a learning exercise.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Hahahaha !

    Could you possibly post a more inane and empty response ?

    You didn't even adress the content of my post.

    You just showed up and decided that you were going to win troll post of the day.
    There wasn't anything directly in your post worthy of a response...hence the "seriously"....You are continuously digging for something that isn't there. Why do you think you always come up empty handed time after time?
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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