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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Your insulting arrogance aside Joe, the fact of the matter is that people in this country are slowly rejecting your dream of slow walked progressive control...Cigarettes are still a legally purchased product, and regardless of what you think of them or people that use that product you can't deny that the whole push behind going after the Tobacco companies was all about extortion, just as this latest boondoggle is.

    When you realize that liberalism is in real trouble the more that the voting electorate learns the truth about where it is progressives want to take the party, the more your party has to use things like 'open borders' to hopefully keep winning elections on the backs of the less intelligent, and mobility challenged...When you have to trick people into voting for you, I'd say the title "loser" fits.
    J, no insulting intended. You seem to have grown more sensitive as you've aged.

    However, being legal or illegal was never the point. Nor was it what you or I thought of them. it was that the industry successfully kept people in the dark by pretending there was a controversy where there wasn't one. Many good people, who outside fo that issue, were bright intelligent and overall good folks were fooled into thinking the jury was still out when it wasn't. this tactic worked so well that others copied it, as has been done concerning GW. There is no real debate.

    And J I don't give two ****s about liberalism or conservativism. It's about what is right and what is wrong, true and false. Have you forgotten how to discuss something outside those two false frameworks?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, no insulting intended. You seem to have grown more sensitive as you've aged.

    However, being legal or illegal was never the point. Nor was it what you or I thought of them. it was that the industry successfully kept people in the dark by pretending there was a controversy where there wasn't one. Many good people, who outside fo that issue, were bright intelligent and overall good folks were fooled into thinking the jury was still out when it wasn't. this tactic worked so well that others copied it, as has been done concerning GW. There is no real debate.

    And J I don't give two ****s about liberalism or conservativism. It's about what is right and what is wrong, true and false. Have you forgotten how to discuss something outside those two false frameworks?
    Not at all Joe, however I don't for one second believe that the climate change going on today is the sole result of man's contribution of Co2 for the past 150 years or so. I mean think about it. From the convenient excuse of man's industrial advancement, to cows farting in the Iowa pastures, in the grand scheme of a planet that has been around for some 4.5 BILLION years +/-, especially when the contribution of Co2 is a relatively small part of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere, that the solution is taxation, and a destruction of our current life blood (energy) for unproven, and insufficient alternatives that have NO chance in the immediate of doing anything other than destroying this country, and possibly the worlds economies over hype and scare.

    As for you not caring about the political side of this, or anything for that matter Joe, I don't buy that for a moment, I too remember a time when both of us would have been a whole lot more willing to see each others arguments than we are today. What is right is deliberative providence, not some politicized junk science that has more holes than swiss cheese. What is true is that in our tiny sliver of time the earth has gone through changes, the political play in this is that rather than objectively use sound science to simultaneously come up with better, cleaner, more efficient ways of doing things, the hacks have turned it into a cult of political patronage, and power struggle for who can control more of the planets people through taxation, and resource distribution.

    When you can admit that then we can discuss real alternatives, until then, screaming, name calling, and the usual tactics of progressivism are useless...The population doesn't buy it. I am in the majority as to the subject, and you are but a minority being used in a cynical game of power here. I hope for all of our sake Joe, that good people like yourself wake up and stop buying into the BS.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not at all Joe, however I don't for one second believe that the climate change going on today is the sole result of man's contribution of Co2 for the past 150 years or so. I mean think about it. From the convenient excuse of man's industrial advancement, to cows farting in the Iowa pastures, in the grand scheme of a planet that has been around for some 4.5 BILLION years +/-, especially when the contribution of Co2 is a relatively small part of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere, that the solution is taxation, and a destruction of our current life blood (energy) for unproven, and insufficient alternatives that have NO chance in the immediate of doing anything other than destroying this country, and possibly the worlds economies over hype and scare.

    As for you not caring about the political side of this, or anything for that matter Joe, I don't buy that for a moment, I too remember a time when both of us would have been a whole lot more willing to see each others arguments than we are today. What is right is deliberative providence, not some politicized junk science that has more holes than swiss cheese. What is true is that in our tiny sliver of time the earth has gone through changes, the political play in this is that rather than objectively use sound science to simultaneously come up with better, cleaner, more efficient ways of doing things, the hacks have turned it into a cult of political patronage, and power struggle for who can control more of the planets people through taxation, and resource distribution.

    When you can admit that then we can discuss real alternatives, until then, screaming, name calling, and the usual tactics of progressivism are useless...The population doesn't buy it. I am in the majority as to the subject, and you are but a minority being used in a cynical game of power here. I hope for all of our sake Joe, that good people like yourself wake up and stop buying into the BS.
    First, no one says sole reason. They say a contributing factor, a significant factor, a controllable factor, but not sole factor.

    Whether you buy it or not doesn't matter to me. Only Bush invading Iraq made me join a party. I'm no longer a party member. It's just too often anything not radical exaggering right here gets labeled partisan. The facts are aganist you in GW. If your mind was open, I think you'd see that. But to change my mind I need actual information and not exaggerations and distortions. Everything you guys throw up gets answered.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    First, no one says sole reason. They say a contributing factor, a significant factor, a controllable factor, but not sole factor.

    Whether you buy it or not doesn't matter to me. Only Bush invading Iraq made me join a party. I'm no longer a party member. It's just too often anything not radical exaggering right here gets labeled partisan. The facts are aganist you in GW. If your mind was open, I think you'd see that. But to change my mind I need actual information and not exaggerations and distortions. Everything you guys throw up gets answered.
    Must be nice to never address an argument Joe. How simple to just say everything you don't agree with is distortion and exaggeration...
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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Must be nice to never address an argument Joe. How simple to just say everything you don't agree with is distortion and exaggeration...
    You may not understand this j, but that is responding to an argument when the argument you're responding to IS a distortion and an exaggeration. When you and others stop distorting and exaggerating, we can move on to something more fruitful. It is not proper to pretend that there is merit to something there is no merit in.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You may not understand this j, but that is responding to an argument when the argument you're responding to IS a distortion and an exaggeration. When you and others stop distorting and exaggerating, we can move on to something more fruitful. It is not proper to pretend that there is merit to something there is no merit in.
    Oh, so now you get to tell me what I should place, or not place "merit" in concerning my views eh? This is why progressive liberals like yourself need force to make your visions come to pass...The arrogance alone is stunning.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, so now you get to tell me what I should place, or not place "merit" in concerning my views eh? This is why progressive liberals like yourself need force to make your visions come to pass...The arrogance alone is stunning.
    Read closer. You can't expect others to put merit in it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Read closer. You can't expect others to put merit in it.
    Who gives a **** what you put merit in? Who are you?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

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    Who gives a **** what you put merit in? Who are you?
    The guy you're talking to. As well as others who talk to you. There is no merit is exaggerations and hyperbole. So, you shouldn't expect anyone, anyone at all, to treat them with merit. Just good advice you won't likely take.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The guy you're talking to. As well as others who talk to you. There is no merit is exaggerations and hyperbole. So, you shouldn't expect anyone, anyone at all, to treat them with merit. Just good advice you won't likely take.
    You're right. But I can rectify the mistake of talking to you, unfortunately you seem to be unable to do anything about your own dishonesty. . Have a good night.
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