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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    What was confirmed? That the team was ordered through normal chain of command to remain in Tripoli instead of take a round trip plane ride to Benghazi where they would be of no help? Yes, that was confirmed. So why is this still a controversy? If they'd have got what they wanted, they'd have passed the first plane of injured being flown to Tripoli where they just left, then stood around the airport in Benghazi, watching more planes get loaded with evacuees, which was handled just fine without them.

    So the military made a correct decision to leave them in Tripoli. What's the issue?
    Confirmed that there was a order by the military for the spec ops team not to leave. Its a controversy because its an election season and both parties are trying to either blame the other, or avoid blame. In this case, to claim there wasnt an order, so the whole issue of whether the order was justified or not could be ignored. Which speaks to the larger issue of whether the President handled the situation correctly, overall. But as long as we argue about the meaning of the word IS, we dont have to talk about the real issues.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Confirmed that there was a order by the military for the spec ops team not to leave. Its a controversy because its an election season and both parties are trying to either blame the other, or avoid blame. In this case, to claim there wasnt an order, so the whole issue of whether the order was justified or not could be ignored. Which speaks to the larger issue of whether the President handled the situation correctly, overall. But as long as we argue about the meaning of the word IS, we dont have to talk about the real issues.
    My point was it's a BS fake controversy, sustained for nearly 2 years now by right wing blowhards who want to desperately find a scandal. There might be one, but the 'stand down order' isn't it, but it still lives, like a Zombie that won't die, no matter how many times that faux controversy gets rehashed and debunked.

    And I'm not sure why the Administration (I suppose) wants to ignore the question of whether the order was justified. It was the correct order. No one can make any argument it wasn't, at least not without ignoring the timeline, and/or misrepresenting the facts as we know them.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    My point was it's a BS fake controversy, sustained for nearly 2 years now by right wing blowhards who want to desperately find a scandal. There might be one, but the 'stand down order' isn't it, but it still lives, like a Zombie that won't die, no matter how many times that faux controversy gets rehashed and debunked.

    And I'm not sure why the Administration (I suppose) wants to ignore the question of whether the order was justified. It was the correct order. No one can make any argument it wasn't, at least not without ignoring the timeline, and/or misrepresenting the facts as we know them.
    So your question was rhetorical then. You know why its a controversy. Politics.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I'm glad to hear no order to stand down was given. But that does little to exonerate the lack of security that was present in the first place.
    This is a very long watch but fascinating. It contradicts the very brief claim opening this thread about the stand down order. This is testimony by the people who were actually in Libya at the time of the attacks and are courageous 'Whistle-blowers" who were under pressure by government officials not to speak.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4Ju8Zxgp54

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH0w2fnh_Z4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6wOjMsqp8I

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This is a very long watch but fascinating. It contradicts the very brief claim opening this thread about the stand down order. This is testimony by the people who were actually in Libya at the time of the attacks and are courageous 'Whistle-blowers" who were under pressure by government officials not to speak.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4Ju8Zxgp54

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH0w2fnh_Z4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6wOjMsqp8I
    So let me get this straight, we have some testifying there was and some testifying there wasn't. We should do what with this information?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    We will see how far that gets the GOP in 2016.
    Oh it won't get them very far at all because the welfare leeches and the illegal immigrants will elect a chimpanzee or a baboon if IT runs for president as a democrat. Hell, we all know that.
    Liberalismódividing up the EARNED wealth of honest, hard working and ingenious AMERICANS and giving it to the leeches who would rather waste their worthless lives living off the government teat.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by HogWash View Post
    Oh it won't get them very far at all because the welfare leeches and the illegal immigrants will elect a chimpanzee or a baboon if IT runs for president as a democrat. Hell, we all know that.
    Boy is that a bunch of crap. Take personal responsibility and select better candidates.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol !

    No, it wasn't hyper-partisan to perpetuate some BS narrative about a internet video.
    You mean hyper-partisans like the perps of the attack?

    What he did in the period just before the attack has remained unclear. But Mr. Abu Khattala told other Libyans in private conversations during the night of the attack that he was moved to attack the diplomatic mission to take revenge for an insult to Islam in an American-made online video.

    An earlier demonstration venting anger over the video outside the American Embassy in Cairo had culminated in a breach of its walls, and it dominated Arab news coverage. Mr. Abu Khattala told both fellow Islamist fighters and others that the attack in Benghazi was retaliation for the same insulting video, according to people who heard him.
    Benghazi Suspect Says Attacks Were Instigated by Anti-Islam Internet Video | The Daily Banter

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So let me get this straight, we have some testifying there was and some testifying there wasn't. We should do what with this information?
    Learn from it.

    Unless you watch the testimony in the entirety, rather just just an excerpt favorable to the original posters POV, how do you know what really happened?

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    Re: APNewsBreak: No 'Stand Down' Order in Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    That runs contrary to all the evidence by those who were actually there.

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