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    Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    BBC News - Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    I'm guessing that US-German relations aren't in such a good state at the moment. The idea that spying on your friends is just business as usual came as a surprise to Angela Merkel.

    What should be Germany's next step?

    What should the US reaction to this expulsion be? An apology? Or reprisal?
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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    BBC News - Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    I'm guessing that US-German relations aren't in such a good state at the moment. The idea that spying on your friends is just business as usual came as a surprise to Angela Merkel.

    What should be Germany's next step?

    What should the US reaction to this expulsion be? An apology? Or reprisal?
    I think at a minimum, an apology.
    It will not come, because that would be an admission they did something wrong,
    and I think that is beyond the capability of this administration.

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    BBC News - Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    I'm guessing that US-German relations aren't in such a good state at the moment. The idea that spying on your friends is just business as usual came as a surprise to Angela Merkel.

    What should be Germany's next step?

    What should the US reaction to this expulsion be? An apology? Or reprisal?
    German politicians should explain some facts of life. After all, the US did not sign the treaty allowing American agencies to spy in Germany alone. Both signatures are on the paper. They should also point out how odd it is for Germans to think of themselves as "friends" or even "reliable partners" after the things they have done. You can't trust someone whose behavior patterns have caused you so much harm and been so unpredictable.

    The Americans should publish the treaty and demonstrate the extent of German cooperation with American agencies and explain that it is a German legal problem and that the Americans were only doing things that the German government had allowed and often participated in.

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I think at a minimum, an apology.
    It will not come, because that would be an admission they did something wrong,
    Wont happen. The US apologies almost never to anyone for the crap they pull.

    and I think that is beyond the capability of this administration.
    Far from only this administration. We are still waiting on the apology from Bush about the Iraq war..
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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    German politicians should explain some facts of life. After all, the US did not sign the treaty allowing American agencies to spy in Germany alone. Both signatures are on the paper. They should also point out how odd it is for Germans to think of themselves as "friends" or even "reliable partners" after the things they have done. You can't trust someone whose behavior patterns have caused you so much harm and been so unpredictable.

    The Americans should publish the treaty and demonstrate the extent of German cooperation with American agencies and explain that it is a German legal problem and that the Americans were only doing things that the German government had allowed and often participated in.
    So they Germans signed a treaty that allowed the US to implant a double agent into their inner circle? REALLY?
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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    BBC News - Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    I'm guessing that US-German relations aren't in such a good state at the moment. The idea that spying on your friends is just business as usual came as a surprise to Angela Merkel.

    What should be Germany's next step?

    What should the US reaction to this expulsion be? An apology? Or reprisal?
    All the above and a cessation from the activity.
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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I think at a minimum, an apology.
    It will not come, because that would be an admission they did something wrong,
    and I think that is beyond the capability of this administration.
    You think spying on other countries has ONLY happened with Obama? Puuuuuhlease.

    I'd gladly call for the U.S. to apologize to other countries for spying on them if the other countries wern't spying on us as well.

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    German politicians should explain some facts of life. After all, the US did not sign the treaty allowing American agencies to spy in Germany alone. Both signatures are on the paper.
    I don't believe any such treaty exists. You got a source?

    They should also point out how odd it is for Germans to think of themselves as "friends" or even "reliable partners" after the things they have done. You can't trust someone whose behavior patterns have caused you so much harm and been so unpredictable.
    Germany has been and is an excellent friend and reliable partner, just not a lap-dog, like the UK. You can have disagreements with friends and partners while respecting their national integrity. Not a difficult concept.

    The Americans should publish the treaty and demonstrate the extent of German cooperation with American agencies and explain that it is a German legal problem and that the Americans were only doing things that the German government had allowed and often participated in.
    Can you back this up with any evidence of the Germans allowing this?
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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I think at a minimum, an apology.
    It will not come, because that would be an admission they did something wrong,
    and I think that is beyond the capability of this administration.
    Very first response, a partisan response. Do you think Obama has recoiled from apologizing for US wrong doing before? In fact, when did Bush ever apologize, or any other republican president? It's time for new FP approach for America, both parties having injured the US image.
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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    BBC News - Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    I'm guessing that US-German relations aren't in such a good state at the moment. The idea that spying on your friends is just business as usual came as a surprise to Angela Merkel.

    What should be Germany's next step?
    Expel Angela Merkel for being such a naive dummy.

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