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Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

poweRob said:
First you guys whine and bitch about how obama is weak because he goes on apology tours and now you are whining and bitching because you don't think he has the ability to apologize. Make up your mind folks and let's try to get some consistency in all the obama derangement syndrome tantrums.
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Or maybe Obama should get out of the kitchen.
 
joG said:
If a government allows spying and does not make precise, where it is not allowed, then that party to the contract did a lousy job. That is not atypical for European treaties and contracts as anyone who knows the Maastricht/Lisbon mess knows. From what I understand, however, the contract has a do what it takes clause and that takes any legal argument from the table. IT also makes the populist way the thing it being worked by German media and politicians rather irresponsible. This is especially the case, where the BND was making data accessible for mining, helping NSA and using the intelligence it itself was forbidden to generate after receiving it from NSA.

Having said that, it would be irresponsible of the Americans not to spy on such a dangerous loos cannon as Germany has been.
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Wow, no WOW! Germany is a "dangerous, loose cannon"????
 
Grant said:
It is not Germany which has been the 'loose cannon', and the US has already been caught listening in on Merkel's private calls anyway.

I don't know what Obama would do with any information he get's from the upper levels of the German government but he wouldn't be acting on any information he receives for America's advantage.
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As I pointed out, it was only politeness to be sweet to Merkel, but it was probably not actually forbidden nor so horrid to eavesdrop. And it is not useless to capture information in and out of the top slot, as anyone that has followed Germany in the past years.
 
joG said:
As I pointed out, it was only politeness to be sweet to Merkel, but it was probably not actually forbidden nor so horrid to eavesdrop. And it is not useless to capture information in and out of the top slot, as anyone that has followed Germany in the past years.
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What would Obama do with any information he receives and what do you think he is looking for?
 
PeteEU said:
Wont happen. The US apologies almost never to anyone for the crap they pull.



Far from only this administration.
We are still waiting on the apology from Bush about the Iraq war.
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And you'll still be waiting a long time from now because it isn't coming.
 
Andalublue said:
I don't believe any such treaty exists. You got a source?

Germany has been and is an excellent friend and reliable partner, just not a lap-dog, like the UK. You can have disagreements with friends and partners while respecting their national integrity. Not a difficult concept.

Can you back this up with any evidence of the Germans allowing this?
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Can you prove that they haven't been?

I didn't think so.
 
joG said:
It has certainly has behaved as such over the decades.
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You mean the first half of the last century. The policy of America could more correctly be described such over the past few decades.
 
Grant said:
What would Obama do with any information he receives and what do you think he is looking for?
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Don't you think that would depend? Remember the Auschwitz in the Sand? Or the deliveries of technologies and aperture to enable the Iranian nuclear program? Or when the Chancellor was planning measures with Chirac and Putin that caused Saddam to believe he could bluff against the Security Council resolution?
 
joG said:
Don't you think that would depend? Remember the Auschwitz in the Sand? Or the deliveries of technologies and aperture to enable the Iranian nuclear program? Or when the Chancellor was planning measures with Chirac and Putin that caused Saddam to believe he could bluff against the Security Council resolution?
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How would Barrack Obama respond to any of this anyways? I now trust German leadership more than I do American leadership.
 
PeteEU said:
Wont happen. The US apologies almost never to anyone for the crap they pull.



Far from only this administration. We are still waiting on the apology from Bush about the Iraq war..
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Why are you waiting for an apology? Did you have holiday property in Baghdad?
 
Andalublue said:
BBC News - Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

I'm guessing that US-German relations aren't in such a good state at the moment. The idea that spying on your friends is just business as usual came as a surprise to Angela Merkel.

What should be Germany's next step?

What should the US reaction to this expulsion be? An apology? Or reprisal?
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She wants you to believe it's a surprise. The latest spy to be discovered was a double agent.
 
Montecresto said:
You mean the first half of the last century. The policy of America could more correctly be described such over the past few decades.
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The US murder tens-of-millions of people? Link?
 
Grant said:
Or maybe Obama should get out of the kitchen.
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Ok... you step into the kitchen then. It's oh so easy to throw stones. How about you step up to the plate and make a solution. What would Grant, president of the USA, do about this situation of the El Salvadorian kids who've come across our border?
 
poweRob said:
Ok... you step into the kitchen then. It's oh so easy to throw stones. How about you step up to the plate and make a solution. What would Grant, president of the USA, do about this situation of the El Salvadorian kids who've come across our border?
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I would have secured the border long ago and not advertised free food. The feds have got the northern border sealed tight, which is much longer (and where Canadians now enjoy a higher standard of living), but can't do anything about the much shorter southern border.

Doesn't that strike you as rather strange?
 
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