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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    LOL, not sure about the streets, but the last time I was in Munich, I was browsing in a hobby/toy shop for model aero engines, and the music being played was Mozart. I heard at least one kid humming along to the tune. I am here to tell you that playing any form of classical music would clear a hobby shop, and probably a shopping centre, of anyone under 30 in the UK, the USA, or Australia. So autres temps autres mœurs - but I know who are more civilised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Mozart? Mozart who?
    LOL, what it must be to be possessed of such wit - I am impressed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Post WW II cold war days and now. I am sure you agree that the scope of intelligence activities has changed considerably.

    And the reason was the fight against the Soviets and their proxies in the then East Germany. That the West German government was infested with spies is a well known fact and thus the need to spy on members of the government. The current situation is hardly similar and clearly necessitates a different approach and scope. Do you really believe that the German Chancellor could be serving the interests of terrorists?

    Indeed, but that is a far cry from them consenting to it. Remember the case of the Israeli spy and how we were up in arms over it. Israel is one of our trusted allies... so is it hypocrisy?
    In other words you haven't followed the discussion or forgotten what was said. I really think you should find better arguments or at least arguments that make a minimum of sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, they're probably quite humorous. Maybe a German mime would be the breakthrough they need.
    I never said they were funny, I simply corrected you that just because you've never heard of them doesn't mean they don't exist in droves. My wife and her family love German comedians, god knows why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Huh? Absence of German comedians? There are tons of them, you just don't know them because they... (shocker)... tell jokes in German.
    Yes. I once saw Curd Jürgens in Salzburg in Jedermann. Very dark humor, indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Thank you for taking the trouble to illustrate your point of view - I appreciate that, and was unaware of the instances you mention.

    I have not yet investigated those instances (if, as you say they are available in the public domain, that should be relatively easy,) but at first glance, many appear to be actions of German corporate entities, not necessarily German state policies, and the opposition to our invasion of Iraq was not limited to the Germans. I would have thought such opposition would have been regarded today as excellent foresight, given the cluster-**** which is Iraq today, as the direct result of our actions.

    Added to which, I am sure it is possible to draw up an extensive list of US and UK actions and policies which would put the current German shortcomings into the shade.
    Remember that exports of the types mentioned must be approved by the government and that in the Auschwitz in the Sand for instance case the US had been asking the german government to stop it for two years. And, when you think about it, the fact that the government allowed it to happen in other cases without detecting it in their own country justifies spying in Germany by foreign agencies any day. I mean, enabling a nuclear program for iran!?

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Enjoy!

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Perhaps if we had normalized relations with Germany, instead of the role of occupier, they would actually be our friends and we wouldn't need spies there.

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    In other words you haven't followed the discussion or forgotten what was said. I really think you should find better arguments or at least arguments that make a minimum of sense.
    I was not making an argument, merely replying to your question and commenting on your assertion of Germany agreeing for the US to conduct intelligence operations in their soil. It is you who believes that the agreement, which we do not have to read, is some form of "cart blanche" for the US intelligence organizations. My comment was for the purpose of dispelling that notion.
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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    LOL, I guess it does - but do you really consider that McDonalds, Coca Cola, and 'Atlas Shrugged' trump mechanised transport, the printing press, Beethoven, Mahler, Goethe, Schiller and Kant, as contributions to western civilisation?
    What he thinks is irrelevant to this question. May I suggest an experiment to settle it even if informally. Go out to a place frequented by a lot of people and ask at least 10 random people to take part in a survey and mention the same names and see the level of recognition. That should be a good indicator...

    PS Rand was Russian
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