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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Why is it Obama's fault?

    Why does Obama think he can circumvent congress?

    If he is bold enough to do that then I can blame him.

    Just a stroke of the pen eh?
    I think I made clear at the beginning of my post that I don't excuse Obama. But if you read the link, you'd have found that US spying on Germany has deep roots, DECADES. So if Obama is a moron for spying on Germany, what does that make Bush, Clinton, Bush.........?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Then its little wonder that the US needs to be spied upon.
    Of course other countries want to spy on the US and they do unless their governments are reckless and irresponsible.
    But wouldn't you feel rather like a clown to be surprised, get angry and rile about it? That would be like threatening nature for raining on your birthday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Of course other countries want to spy on the US and they do unless their governments are reckless and irresponsible.
    But wouldn't you feel rather like a clown to be surprised, get angry and rile about it? That would be like threatening nature for raining on your birthday.
    For some odd reason, it doesn't appear that Mrs. Merkel feels like a clown. She knows that her personal phone, (as opposed to say phones at the US created BND), was spied upon. She's too pissed to be clowning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    For some odd reason, it doesn't appear that Mrs. Merkel feels like a clown. She knows that her personal phone, (as opposed to say phones at the US created BND), was spied upon. She's too pissed to be clowning.
    I doubt very much that she is in any way "pissed". Only were she an idiot, which she is not, didn't she know the extent of spying going on. But she knows that her Volk is angry as the politicians have miss-represented the situation for decades and been doing things with NSA that would cost many of them not only their jobs but their freedom. So they are using the External Enemy Defense. That is so obvious it screams at you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I doubt very much that she is in any way "pissed". Only were she an idiot, which she is not, didn't she know the extent of spying going on. But she knows that her Volk is angry as the politicians have miss-represented the situation for decades and been doing things with NSA that would cost many of them not only their jobs but their freedom. So they are using the External Enemy Defense. That is so obvious it screams at you.
    Perhaps if you were right Mrs. Merkel would feign anger only publicly.

    In an angry exchange with Barack Obama, Angela Merkel has compared the snooping practices of the US with those of the Stasi, the ubiquitous and all-powerful secret police of the communist dictatorship in East Germany, where she grew up

    Merkel compared NSA to Stasi in heated encounter with Obama | World news | The Guardian
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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I think I made clear at the beginning of my post that I don't excuse Obama. But if you read the link, you'd have found that US spying on Germany has deep roots, DECADES. So if Obama is a moron for spying on Germany, what does that make Bush, Clinton, Bush.........?
    We spy on everyone, I know this, however to make it an issue is inanity and downright dumb....

    I just think it is a waste of money... Or a waste of an issue...

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Observer View Post
    Well, spying on other nations - and even on Business - is one thing.
    Getting caught is another one.
    For me it seems that US spies are as inefficient as US politicians if not to say the US economy.
    Don't disagree there. It's just the old saying "It's only illegal if you get caught".

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Why are we spying on Germany in the first place? they're hardly a threat...

    Oh yeah - Obama is a ****ing moron that want's to look useful but doesn't want to out the real terrorists because they're brown - hence his buddies.
    Hahahahahahahaha

    A+ satire! Up there with the gif of the guy dropping popcorn on himself and blaming Obama!
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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    And also a more wistful and sad "lol" at Monte for not understanding the universal nature of espionage.
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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    We spy on everyone, I know this, however to make it an issue is inanity and downright dumb....

    I just think it is a waste of money... Or a waste of an issue...
    Well then we agree. But you were the one that asked, "why are we even spying on Germany"?
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