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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    My ****ing God.
    I must damit, it is hard to believe anyone could write that.

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Observer View Post
    Well, spying on other nations - and even on Business - is one thing.
    Getting caught is another one.
    For me it seems that US spies are as inefficient as US politicians if not to say the US economy.
    Nobody was "caught". The German government and bureaucracies knew what was happening and were aiding the efforts, while gaining access to data they were legally not entitled to. If anyone was "caught", it was the Germans' government that is whipping up hate against the US to cover up.

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    My ****ing God.
    Shut up.... Go apply to the IRS..

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I must damit, it is hard to believe anyone could write that.
    I'll write whatever I want while you sit back and accept what the headlines tell you - if you even bother to read them or the entire story

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'll write whatever I want while you sit back and accept what the headlines tell you - if you even bother to read them or the entire story
    Which story do you propose?

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    I consider Germany to be justified in objecting to being spied upon by an alleged ally, and I consider Germany to be a very accomplished and civilised nation.
    I see, you have not read up on German behavior. A country edging toward Russia and that regularly supplies technologies for WMD to countries like Syria, Libya or Iran must be spied on by any country with half responsible leaders.

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Which story do you propose?
    Story?

    I call this Germany nonsense a waste of time..... Is the government trying to make itself look useful?

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I find that..... extremely difficult to believe. It is like saying that Merkel would be astonished to learn that the United States has spy satellites. Far more likely she felt she had to take this step to save face.

    Both countries should continue to work with each other and both IC's will continue to collect on each other in order to best inform their decision-makers. Because that is their job.

    If Germany wants to make too much noise about it, I would like an answer about why they lied to us about Curveball, given the rather disastrous consequences of that little deception.
    Merkel is talking for the home audience, which is only natural. In this case it is dangerous. Of course successive German governments knew that the US agencies were spying on Germans. They had signed an agreement allowing it and their agencies helped American agencies do, what the were doing, in return for information that was illegal by German law for German agencies to access.

    But the German population has been widely reared in a culture that has not helped maintain international security in over a hundred years. The last 60 of these marked by a growing moralizing culture and mythology to justify the country's free riding stance towards international security, which guaranteed the basis of the country's wealth. Most people here do not have even the most basic understanding of what it takes to maintain relative peace in the world. This goes so far as to block understanding the run up to Iraq2 or the implications of having supplied Iran with technologies that enable their nuclear program. The level of understanding is really scary low. And I am talking about people that have gone to school.
    That explains such off the wall utterances as here portrayed: Merkel blasts U.S. spying, hopes Washington will change tack - The Washington Post

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Story?

    I call this Germany nonsense a waste of time..... Is the government trying to make itself look useful?
    The German government is whipping up emotions to cover its own behind behind a smoke screen.

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The German government is whipping up emotions to cover its own behind behind a smoke screen.
    Over what?

    I call this nonsense a bull**** smoke screen and an attempt to take emphasis off of other issues....

    You see - the progressive brain is slow and loyal. This is "wag the dog."

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