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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I'm not American but have worked there, and in Europe, and have never experienced any anti European attitude in the US until quite recently when they could see European vitriol on the internet. Prior to that they thought it quite quaint, though more than a little backward. They just don't care about Europe all that much which, oddly enough, is another European complaint. Of course anti-Americanism in Europe is rife and, as mentioned, so very tiresome. Make that very, very tiresome.
    We have enjoyed similar exchanges before, and I know you are not an US citizen, but I urge you to return to the subject under discussion. I have no interest in fighting World War 2 again, or either supporting or decrying American nationalism. If anti-Americanism is rife anywhere, there are doubtless reasons for that phenomenon - you or I may not agree with them, but those reasons nonetheless exist.

    I consider Germany to be justified in objecting to being spied upon by an alleged ally, and I consider Germany to be a very accomplished and civilised nation.
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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I'm not American but have worked there, and in Europe, and have never experienced any anti European attitude in the US.
    Well, given that you're not a European, you wouldn't have, would you? That tends to be reserved for Europeans. Ask a French person if they've ever experienced anti-French attitudes in the US.
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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    LOL, OK you win!
    What's wrong, Leo? You don't enjoy such things?

    I asked you if you felt Europe was superior to the US. You wrote three paragraphs that didn't answer the question, aside from flirting with saying that in your subjective opinion it was. But that was only implied, not said. Hence I asked if that was a yes.

    Now apparently you understand that it was rather rude to ask if multi-syllabic confused me? Or you just enjoyed saying it without foundation, but didn't enjoy it being thrown back at you, equally unfounded? Either way, Leo, the lesson here for you is if you can't answer the question, don't ****ing try.
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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I asked you if you felt Europe was superior to the US.
    That's pretty easy to answer. Europe's better at some things and worse at others. Overall, Europe isn't better or worse than the US, just different. Would you agree?
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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Well, given that you're not a European, you wouldn't have, would you? That tends to be reserved for Europeans. Ask a French person if they've ever experienced anti-French attitudes in the US.
    Hahah, just put on any US tv channel on a daily basis (minus CNN international).
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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Actually, there is no real Problem at all.
    Spies are usually thrown out of the country, aren't they?
    Well, this is what happened. Period.
    Let's now concern ourselves with things that really matter.

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You think spying on other countries has ONLY happened with Obama? Puuuuuhlease.

    I'd gladly call for the U.S. to apologize to other countries for spying on them if the other countries wern't spying on us as well.
    Well, spying on other nations - and even on Business - is one thing.
    Getting caught is another one.
    For me it seems that US spies are as inefficient as US politicians if not to say the US economy.

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    BBC News - Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    I'm guessing that US-German relations aren't in such a good state at the moment. The idea that spying on your friends is just business as usual came as a surprise to Angela Merkel.

    What should be Germany's next step?

    What should the US reaction to this expulsion be? An apology? Or reprisal?
    Why are we spying on Germany in the first place? they're hardly a threat...

    Oh yeah - Obama is a ****ing moron that want's to look useful but doesn't want to out the real terrorists because they're brown - hence his buddies.

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Why are we spying on Germany in the first place? they're hardly a threat...

    Oh yeah - Obama is a ****ing moron that want's to look useful but doesn't want to out the real terrorists because they're brown - hence his buddies.
    My ****ing God.

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    Re: Germany expels CIA official in US spy row

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Observer View Post
    Actually, there is no real Problem at all.
    Spies are usually thrown out of the country, aren't they?
    Well, this is what happened. Period.
    Let's now concern ourselves with things that really matter.
    Asking a spy to leave is minimal and hardly worth mentioning unless it is the first time to happen between two countries.

    But hhe real problem is the fact that the thing has been used to create an external enemy in the perception of the population in order to deflect from the certainly devious and deceptive and seemingly criminal behavior of the German government towards its own people. This is a problem, because the damage it does in the hearts and minds is severe, as can be seen from the effects earlier episodes of lashed up fury have had on the population here. Of course, the acute hatred dies down, when the government no longer needs to pursue the anti American campaign. Anyone can see how this works that reads the press during the "Auschwitz in the Sand" imbroglio. But under the surface the attitudes fester and the reactions grow into reflexes and votes.

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