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Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

pbrauer said:
Didn't you ever take civics in school? The IRS is part of the executive and Congress is part of the legislative branch of the government.
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And they're all supposed to be on the same side: Ours.
 
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eohrnberger said:
The mere fact that there appears to be willful information 'hiding' in case congress investigates is already very suspicious.
Especially so considering the power that the IRS have over the population.

Why are they (Lerner and her buddies) worried about a congressional investigation unless they've been doing something wrong or illegal that congress would object to?

Since it's a government agency, and this is a government "government of the people, by the people, for the people" shouldn't any non-personal and non-private IRS information be available for public inspection?



I'd have to agree Mason. It's very suspicious, as if they knew they were guilty of something and wanted to try and hide it. Clearly a case and cause for digging deeper and investigating further.
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I mentioned yesterday why they need to be cautious what they write in emails. They have access to taxpayer information and it would not be prudent to email that information to anyone because it is not secure. I think that's a no brainer.
 
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nota bene said:
And they're all supposed to be on the same side: Ours.
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Correct, but I also learned in my civics class about the system of checks and balances. Most everything in government is on a need to know basis.
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

iguanaman said:
It's scandalous when a supervisor asks employees to watch their language in emails?
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Ahhhhhahahahahahah!


Wow...

Oh man...
 
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jmotivator said:
Ahhhhhahahahahahah!


Wow...

Oh man...
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Um... lets just say those kinds of warnings are standard practice.
 
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Mithros said:
Um... lets just say those kinds of warnings are standard practice.
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Um, let's just say no, no they are not... except maybe if you work for the Mafia.
 
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Gringo allstar said:
I dont think she was referring to off color jokes?? Do you??? What will it take for you to realize whats going on here?
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Right?

1) IRS official holds a press conference and plants a question in the audience about IRS targeting of conservatives so that she can blame the incident on a few rogue agents in Cincinnati
2) It's later shown that it was not a few rogue agents in Cincinnati, but was traced back to the IRS officials own office
3) When called before congress to explain herself the IRS agent pleads the 5th against self incrimination
4) When asked for the emails for 7 IRS officials connected to the targeting the IRS says it will take 2 years to provide the data
5) When pressed on why it will take to years they claim the "hard drives crashed" (which any IT profession can spot as a lie immediately), and the time line was changed from "two years" to "never"
6) Under growing suspicion due to the mysterious disappearance of the emails suddenly TA DA! The Emails mysteriously materialize from the recycled hard drives
7) One email shows the IRS agent that plead the 5th asking a fellow employee is the Instant Messages can be searched by congress and sighs in relief when she is told they can't
8) Another email shows the IRS official instructing IRS staff to be careful what they discuss in email because it is subject to discovery by congress

Lefty Conclusion: Nothing to see here folks!

Somehow the lefties see an initial admission of guilt excused by a lie followed by over a year of evasion and lies don't constitute grounds for suspicion.
 
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jmotivator said:
Um, let's just say no, no they are not... except maybe if you work for the Mafia.
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Let me guess, you've never had any experience with email accounts which have a reasonable chance of being subpoenaed. Because if you did, you'd realize the importance of being careful. Don't write anything you don't want congress reading; no recipes, forwards, jokes, insulting words about your boss.... keep everything sterile. I daresay that anyone on this board would be quite embarrassed if all of their emails were made public.


But instead of thinking about it logically, you're imagining a giant conspiracy masterminded by a 30 year Reagan appointee to delay the application of a few groups which were applying for a status that doesn't apply to them in order to skirt campaign finance laws. Yawn.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
Apples and oranges. The backup was mislabeled, when found, not problems noted. It was a single system. not seven.

What are the statistics of seven separate system hard drives failing in the same time period? Where are the seven backups?
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Did any loyal republican IT guys have access to all seven?

Since we're talking about conspiracies.
 
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Mithros said:
Let me guess, you've never had any experience with email accounts which have a reasonable chance of being subpoenaed. Because if you did, you'd realize the importance of being careful. Don't write anything you don't want congress reading; no recipes, forwards, jokes, insulting words about your boss.... keep everything sterile. I daresay that anyone on this board would be quite embarrassed if all of their emails were made public.


But instead of thinking about it logically, you're imagining a giant conspiracy masterminded by a 30 year Reagan appointee to delay the application of a few groups which were applying for a status that doesn't apply to them in order to skirt campaign finance laws. Yawn.
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There is a conspiracy. But I agree with you about being careful; any e-mail can potentially be subpoenaed, and if you access your Yahoo account through your work computer, those e-mails can be too. There are Fortune 500 companies that monitor employee e-mail as SOP, and this is clearly true of state and fed offices. I've never logged into DP from my work computer and only rarely log into my Yahoo account. In fact, good advice is to use your work computer for work only, and that's what I do.
 
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apdst said:
That doesn't make obstruction legal.
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where is the obstruction?
she advised her subordinate staff to be cautious about what is shared in emails because there may be a need for the congress to read them
and it appears her caution was warranted, because look at how the hyper-partisans have read her email, insisting that she is advocating 'obstruction'
how much sense does it make for learner to send an email which she knew might be read by congress, and suborn congressional oversight within said email?
 
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Mithros said:
Let me guess, you've never had any experience with email accounts which have a reasonable chance of being subpoenaed. Because if you did, you'd realize the importance of being careful. Don't write anything you don't want congress reading; no recipes, forwards, jokes, insulting words about your boss.... keep everything sterile. I daresay that anyone on this board would be quite embarrassed if all of their emails were made public.
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I have had LOTS of experience with just that. The standard boilerplate is: "This email account is for official use only, do not use this email account for non-government use", and so on. This boilerplate pops up on all government computers at log in and is in all new hire documentation. Nowhere, and I mean NOWHERE, does it ever say that employees should be careful of what they say in emails because it can be subpoenaed. The reason it doesn't say that is because it is advising employees to skirt the law. In fact, the exact OPPOSITE is the standard instruction to all government employees regarding the use of their government email account. All business communication needs to be documented in email or some other permanent medium because it is the public record.

I know you don't have a clue what you are talking about, but I do.

But instead of thinking about it logically, you're imagining a giant conspiracy masterminded by a 30 year Reagan appointee to delay the application of a few groups which were applying for a status that doesn't apply to them in order to skirt campaign finance laws. Yawn.
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You are the one talking illogically. As someone who has a lot of experience working in and around the Federal Government all I can tell you is you are full of crap. Official standing orders in any Federal Government Office is the exact opposite of what Lois Lerner was saying in that email.
 
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pbrauer said:
I mentioned yesterday why they need to be cautious what they write in emails. They have access to taxpayer information and it would not be prudent to email that information to anyone because it is not secure. I think that's a no brainer.
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Pete, yes this makes sense.

However, there's no mention of tax payer's private information in this text:

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No, only congress is mentioned in this text.

So I think it's safe to assume that Lerner and her buddies weren't worried about tax payer's private information being released ( heck they released conservative donor lists to their opposition for public excoriation, did they not? ).

No, Lerner and her buddies are worried about congress finding something out that they'd much rather keep hidden from congress. There's every reason to be suspicious.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Pete, yes this makes sense.

However, there's no mention of tax payer's private information in this text:

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No, only congress is mentioned in this text.

So I think it's safe to assume that Lerner and her buddies weren't worried about tax payer's private information being released ( heck they released conservative donor lists to their opposition for public excoriation, did they not? ).

No, Lerner and her buddies are worried about congress finding something out that they'd much rather keep hidden from congress. There's every reason to be suspicious.
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Yeah, sending that email to only two people we should be very suspicious. :roll: You crack me up.

Here is a link to the whole string (3 emails)

http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Lerner-email-use-2.pdf
 
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justabubba said:
where is the obstruction?
she advised her subordinate staff to be cautious about what is shared in emails because there may be a need for the congress to read them
and it appears her caution was warranted, because look at how the hyper-partisans have read her email, insisting that she is advocating 'obstruction'
how much sense does it make for learner to send an email which she knew might be read by congress, and suborn congressional oversight within said email?
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Her instructions to her staff are the exact opposite of the standing government orders regarding email use.
 
Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

pbrauer said:
Yeah, sending that email to only two people we should be very suspicious. :roll: You crack me up.

Here is a link to the whole string (3 emails)

http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Lerner-email-use-2.pdf
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Actually it's far more suspicious that it was ONLY emailed to 2 other people. Had it been to a long list of people and a general policy type statement of which information is appropriate and inappropriate for email, it wouldn't be suspicious at all. But that's not at all what what's going on in this email here, is it?

The conclusion would be that they are the other 2 people involved in the conspiracy / corruption. Would it not?
 
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Let me see if I'm getting this straight here.

Some here are suggesting that Lerner is referring to things of personal use that are being discussed on a business email account, if that's the case, anyone using IRS email accounts for anything other than official business should be disciplined immediately.

What else would you want to hide from Congress if you're just doing your job on IRS email accounts?
 
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SgtRock said:
Yes, like if someone destroyed something like ,oh I don't know, A FREEKIN HARD DRIVE!
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Agreed. Unless it was standard operating procedure to destroy hard drives and it happened that way.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Pete, yes this makes sense.

However, there's no mention of tax payer's private information in this text:

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No, only congress is mentioned in this text.

So I think it's safe to assume that Lerner and her buddies weren't worried about tax payer's private information being released ( heck they released conservative donor lists to their opposition for public excoriation, did they not? ).

No, Lerner and her buddies are worried about congress finding something out that they'd much rather keep hidden from congress. There's every reason to be suspicious.
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You just might want to consider the date on that email. April 9, 2013. Use that head God gave to you.
 
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Mason66 said:
It wouldn't be if it is how you characterize it, but she said it was specifically so Congress cannot get information.

Do you not see that as obstruction?

What would Lerner want to hide from Congress?
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Anything that could possibly be ripped out of context and used as a political football. Which is becoming a GOP national past time these days.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
Does this ring any bells?

IRS admits targeting conservatives for tax scrutiny in 2012 election - The Washington Post
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A hammer is an inappropriate to to cut a board to length.

Keywords are an inappropriate method for selecting groups for additional scrutiny.

The latter is the form of the word "inappropriate" used in the treasury report. It clearly states that using keywords puts groups who shouldn't be scrutinized under scrutiny while allowing others that should be to slip through. Treasury said that EVERYBODY should be scrutinized for compliance.

They did not use the form of the word like "he touched the child inappropriately"

Didn't keep the right from claiming it did. Or from continuing to do so.
 
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Derp said:
Let me see if I'm getting this straight here.

Some here are suggesting that Lerner is referring to things of personal use that are being discussed on a business email account, if that's the case, anyone using IRS email accounts for anything other than official business should be disciplined immediately.

What else would you want to hide from Congress if you're just doing your job on IRS email accounts?
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one thing an employee might want to not include in an email to another federal co-worker is criticism of congress ... such as the way the law was written to prevent ANY campaign/political activities by eligible 501c(4) companies, which devolved in the regulations to prohibiting SIGNIFICANT political activities
 
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jmotivator said:
Her instructions to her staff are the exact opposite of the standing government orders regarding email use.
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you are wrong again

my (former) employing federal agency even agreed to non-excessive personal use of the computer/email system

but share with us the government wide standing orders that are the opposite of learner's admonition
 
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ludin said:
I can't wait for the next president to just unsign all of obama's executive orders in one fell swoop.
i guess obama doesn't realize that what he has done can be undone.
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That is assuming the next person in office is a conservative. Liberals democrats and RINOs are not going to undo what Obama did.
 
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poweRob said:
Anything that could possibly be ripped out of context and used as a political football. Which is becoming a GOP national past time these days.
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As if the GOP are the only ones engaged in that particular pastime. Does 'Republican War on Women' ring a bell? How about 'Hobby Lobby decision denies reproductive healthcare to women'?

Yeah, those'd be only 2 examples of political footballs that were taken out of context, if not down right lies, for the same pastime.

So kettle meet pot. K?
 
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