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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

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    The only way I see to fix the government and the IRS with it is to eject the permanent political class that occupies it at every level. And the only way to do that, short of revolution, is to throw our full support behind the Tea Party, 9/12ers, tax reform groups who are trying to replace them with reformers and true public servants that we once had.
    I prefer revolution, or at lest independence. The country is too big to be centralized, and youre never going to convince most of the country to eject their incumbents.

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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Sadly the voters rely on being fed, and sit around complaining about the media instead of educating themselves.
    I can see where voters are relying on being fed, witness the load of BS that they are accepting as the truth of the matter.
    However, isn't it the role and responsibility of the free press in our system to provide accurate and factual information? Providing this factual information to the electorate?

    Should a voter go and educate themselves, as you call it, and I'd count participating in forums such as this as a form of being informed, and there's no telling which bogus sources they are likely to believe and take as the truth. Might end up being worse off.

    No, I'm not in support of a 'Government Ministry of Truth'. But the free press, given the privileges they are granted, have obligation for that privilege, which is to speak truth to power, report on, and hold, government agencies and departments as well as politicians, accountable, and reporting to the electorate such.
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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I prefer revolution, or at lest independence. The country is too big to be centralized, and youre never going to convince most of the country to eject their incumbents.
    That's the thing. Each of the incumbants is allowed to throw their own district or state just enough bones and given opportunity to spread just enough propaganda to keep them believing that the problem is everybody else's representatives and not their own.
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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I can see where voters are relying on being fed, witness the load of BS that they are accepting as the truth of the matter.
    However, isn't it the role and responsibility of the free press in our system to provide accurate and factual information? Providing this factual information to the electorate?

    Should a voter go and educate themselves, as you call it, and I'd count participating in forums such as this as a form of being informed, and there's no telling which bogus sources they are likely to believe and take as the truth. Might end up being worse off.

    No, I'm not in support of a 'Government Ministry of Truth'. But the free press, given the privileges they are granted, have obligation for that privilege, which is to speak truth to power, report on, and hold, government agencies and departments as well as politicians, accountable, and reporting to the electorate such.
    The press is a business like anything else. They sell information in order to make money. And they can be corrupt just like any other entity with power. So in the end, its the responsibility of the individual. The media is simply one tool to use.

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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The press is a business like anything else. They sell information in order to make money. And they can be corrupt just like any other entity with power. So in the end, its the responsibility of the individual. The media is simply one tool to use.
    Given that assumption, it would be well within the bounds of reason to revoke any and all special privileges associated with being a member of the press. After all, they are just conducting business as any other business does. Why any sort of special 'freedom of the press' privileges then?
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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Given that assumption, it would be well within the bounds of reason to revoke any and all special privileges associated with being a member of the press. After all, they are just conducting business as any other business does. Why any sort of special 'freedom of the press' privileges then?
    That goes for anyone who dissemenates information, not just the big corporate media companies, who can not claim freedom of the press for everything. Its not the who, its the what that is protected.

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