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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Another lie. How can you attempt to have a civil conversation when you consistently lie - there is no conspiracy. There is only your false statements. Let's review them:

    *Lerner was appointed by Reagan -false- No appointment was ever made.
    *Then she became head of the tax exempt division in 2006 under appointment from Bush - false - Under the Bush Administration Lerner was "selected" to the DEO in the IRS. (IRS.gov - link provided)
    *You claimed I invented a label - lie - the term "selected" was used by the IRS themselves (link provided), I invented nothing.
    *You claimed the IRS.gov was an article - false - it was an official announcement on the IRS.gov site (link provided)

    You need to take that into the Conspiracy section as I've already told you.


    Wrong forum. Third time.
    You're doubling down on the select vs appoint????? WOW.

    So I should have apologized to you because I said that Lerner was appointed under Bush. But you corrected me with an article that said SELECTED.

    Okay.. I get it.. My bad.. Do not feed the trolls. My bad. Well, consider this your last feeding.

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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    I should be caned in public? Wow... So we're jumping past ad hominem and going right into assault. FYI I'd watch your posts, that's probably over the line. The mods don't really take kindly to even indirect threats of violence and you're pushing to get banned.

    I agree that losing government emails is unacceptable. What I find strange is that her computer has any effect on the emails. I mean, government emails are stored in centralized locations which are regularly backed up. Her computer crashing shouldn't have affected anything. Fortunately, there's nothing that can be done to those without leaving a digital footprint. If there was any wrongdoing, we'll find out.

    Also, if we're complaining about emails what about the 5 million emails missing during the Bush administration with regard to the firing of the US attorneys? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy
    Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I didn't threaten you with violence. i didn't say I was going to cane you. I said anyone dumb enough to believe the IRS story ought to be caned in public. No threat, just an opinion.

    But I disagree with you that we will find out what happened to her emails or if we do find out she won't be punished. When's the last time anyone in our government or banking system was actually held accountable for anything they did that was wrong?

    If you're looking for a defense of Bush from me don't hold your breath. He wasn't as bad as Obama but he was still pretty bad. I have no respect for either man. In fact the only two politicians that haven't sold there souls IMo are Paul and Kucinich. I wouldn't give two craps if the rest of them dropped dead tomorrow.

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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

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    You're doubling down on the select vs appoint????? WOW.
    Lois G. Lerner Selected as Director of IRS Exempt Organizations Division




    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    So I should have apologized to you because I said that Lerner was appointed under Bush. But you corrected me with an article that said SELECTED.
    It's an announcement by the IRS themselves - you know - the people governmental organization that actually employed Lerner.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Okay.. I get it.. My bad.. Do not feed the trolls. My bad. Well, consider this your last feeding.
    So now you call me a troll for pointing out your false statements, correcting you, giving you advice, and correcting your misinformation? Any time you'd like actual facts instead of left wing loon blogger lies - you just let me know.
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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Stop and think for a moment. We'll even assume all of your fantasy conspiracies are true.

    Imagine it's 2010. Citizens United has just come down and conservatives are beginning to funnel dark money into social welfare groups to skirt campaign finance laws. How exactly does Obama go about getting Lerner to enact his sinister plan to win an election by denying tea party groups 501c4 status? Lerner is a lifetime apolitical government employee who has predominantly served under Republican administrations. Why would Obama target her? How would he even do it. I mean, according to Ockham she was just an internal hire so neither she nor the people who hired her were political appointees. Why would she subject herself to so much hatred and abuse by the right wing media to "defend" obama? If she could provide a bigger fish to Issa's witchhunt, he'd obviously leave her alone. So why doesn't she just testify that people told her to "target tea party groups"

    Sorry, but this is kind of an epic fail on the smell test. But please, enlighten me with a plausible scenario.
    I don't have any fantasy conspiracies.

    Working in government under previous administrations which were of the different party isn't revelant to anything.

    Someone targeted the Tea Party - the group that the Democrats love to attack. Lerner is a lifelong Democrat. I never mentioned anything about her wanting to "defend" Obama or about Obama asking her to help him win an election.

    However, unlike you, I think that the government oversteps its bounds and contrary to what you think, I think the Democrats do it just as much as the Republicans do. You have accepted this woman's silence as affirmation that Obama - who you are for whatever reason desperately trying to clear of something he hasn't been accused of by Issa the witch hunter - wasn't involved. I prefer to wait and see what comes out. I am not an Obama bobblehead doll.

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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Timing....The e-mails show a clear pattern 4 days after the IG announced inspection of violation of IRS guidelines in scrutinizing conservative groups of covering up certain details as to what the IRS was doing...This just if anything shows not only the guilt of Lerner, but a reason to move forward to get to the bottom of this crap. The American people deserve the truth. PERIOD!
    That proves my point. This whole thing is a politically-motivated fishing expedition. The Republicans are distorting everything they get in a desperate attempt to catch whatever they can. Lerner didn't want to give them anything more they could distort
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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    That proves my point. This whole thing is a politically-motivated fishing expedition. The Republicans are distorting everything they get in a desperate attempt to catch whatever they can. Lerner didn't want to give them anything more they could distort

    Lerner was hiding her crimes.
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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

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    Lerner was hiding her crimes.
    She's certainly hiding something.

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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Wow, I guess I missed a few pages! When did how Lerner got her job 30 years ago become relevant to the IRS scandal?
    Personally, I think she has first hand knowledge of who ordered these groups to be targeted. My guess is that it came right out of the Obama campaign, with implications that it was okay with Obama, of course he was insulated.

    I think she feels some kind of allegiance to others involved, who would end up in serious trouble if the truth came out. She will not spill the beans, unless she is facing jail time. That's why we need a Grand Jury to look at the evidence and an impartial special prosecutor to run it. Holder is an absolute disgrace, he is not doing his job and should be fired. Of course, he won't. Since doing nothing about this scandal is exactly what Obama wants.

    Obama could pick up the phone tomorrow and tell that smug little bastard at the IRS to hand over the emails, but he won't, the American people can't even find out what the hell happened here.
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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Wow, I guess I missed a few pages! When did how Lerner got her job 30 years ago become relevant to the IRS scandal?
    Personally, I think she has first hand knowledge of who ordered these groups to be targeted. My guess is that it came right out of the Obama campaign, with implications that it was okay with Obama, of course he was insulated.

    I think she feels some kind of allegiance to others involved, who would end up in serious trouble if the truth came out. She will not spill the beans, unless she is facing jail time. That's why we need a Grand Jury to look at the evidence and an impartial special prosecutor to run it. Holder is an absolute disgrace, he is not doing his job and should be fired. Of course, he won't. Since doing nothing about this scandal is exactly what Obama wants.

    Obama could pick up the phone tomorrow and tell that smug little bastard at the IRS to hand over the emails, but he won't, the American people can't even find out what the hell happened here.
    To me the most likely scenario reasonably deduced from behavior of those involved:

    Lerner has been a career federal employee since the Carter Administration and has served in several different capacities during those decades. In 2006 she was apparently hired (selected, not appointed) to Director of the exempt division of the IRS. She was almost certainly hired by the Exec Drtr of the IRS or one of his deputies. She was probably qualified for the position and did her job reasonably well.

    Enter Obama in 2009 and with the passage of the Stimulus Package and Obamacare, the Tea Party organized into action groups all over the country. Needing to fund raise to promote their agenda of smaller government, lower taxes, and Constitutional integrity, many grass roots groups sought to incorporate as not-for-profit organizations and found their applications snarled and delayed by mountains of red tape, endless questions, and requests for unusual documentation. Meanwhile, most applications by left leaning organizations sailed through without any problems.

    The initial story broke via an IRS whistle blower that the IRS was inappropriately handling certain applications. President Obama went public to express that he knew nothing about it--you know, like he knows nothing about anything if it looks bad in the press--if it looks good it was all his doing--but he was appropriately outraged and assured us there would be a full investigation and they would get to the bottom of it. And then nothing was done, nothing changed. The bad acts of the IRS continued through the 2012 election as they had through the 2010 election. And instead of conducting an investigation, Obama was making speech after speech accusing the GOP of dirty tricks and manufacturing phony scandals. And his loyal worshipers dutifully reported that on talk radio and in TV interviews and on message boards.

    He can't do anything to fix it of course if it was his idea (which I doubt--I don't think he is that smart) or once he found out his was it his key staffers who ordered Lois Lerner et al to stall the Tea Party/Patriot applications. And he had to give Lois Lerner cover and make sure she was taken care of because she is the one person who knows where all the 'bodies' are buried.

    And so far nobody has come up with a more credible version of the story than that one.
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