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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    She was "selected" not appointed in 2006. Perhaps a slight difference but a difference none the less. Bottom line is neither Reagan nor Bush appointed Lerner to anything.
    Riiighhhhtt.... So let me get this straight. If someone is hired by the government when a republican is in office then they were "selected". If that same person holds the same position when a democrat takes office, then they're a political hack job. Either she was in a low level position that's apolitical or she was a political appointee by at least Bush. You can't maintain on one hand that her position was too unimportant for the Bush Administration to care about and then also maintain suddenly that when Obama takes office she becomes a secret Democratic conduit to evilness..

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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Riiighhhhtt.... So let me get this straight. If someone is hired by the government when a republican is in office then they were "selected". If that same person holds the same position when a democrat takes office, then they're a political hack job. Either she was in a low level position that's apolitical or she was a political appointee by at least Bush. You can't maintain on one hand that her position was too unimportant for the Bush Administration to care about and then also maintain suddenly that when Obama takes office she becomes a secret Democratic conduit to evilness..
    No, it's what the IRS said... right here... from the IRS's own website.

    Quote Originally Posted by IRS.gov
    WASHINGTON — Lois G. Lerner has been selected as the director of the Exempt Organizations Division of the Internal Revenue Service.
    Lois G. Lerner Selected as Director of IRS Exempt Organizations Division

    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    She was "selected" not appointed in 2006. Perhaps a slight difference but a difference none the less. Bottom line is neither Reagan nor Bush appointed Lerner to anything.
    True. Nor did any other President from the Carter administration to the present as she has been a career federal employee the entire time. But since she got her first government job as an attorney and has served most of the time in that capacity, she no doubt knows how to dodge various land mines and work through various irregularities. So, as she was already in a role in which she could do it, she could easily have been a likely choice of the Obama administration to do a bit of manipulation to make sure his primary critics were kept silent through the last election cycles. Does anybody doubt that his administration is capable of using the IRS for whatever purposes they might find politically expedient?

    The Administration sure doesn't seem to be doing anything to bring everything into the light and put it to rest, do they?
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    re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information...[W:220, 325]

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    More "no real scandal here".... right guys?
    There was unethical - and possibly criminal - misconduct on her part...and yes, it should certainly be investigated to the fullest extent. However, comma, the continuing attempts by the Right to find some connection, any connection at all, between Lerner - a regional supervisor with no real influence on or direct contact with the top levels of the IRS (much less the White House) of which I'm aware - smacks of desperation. Just because one relatively low-level person does something wrong doesn't mean that the president must have been involved.
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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Riiighhhhtt.... So let me get this straight. If someone is hired by the government when a republican is in office then they were "selected". If that same person holds the same position when a democrat takes office, then they're a political hack job. Either she was in a low level position that's apolitical or she was a political appointee by at least Bush. You can't maintain on one hand that her position was too unimportant for the Bush Administration to care about and then also maintain suddenly that when Obama takes office she becomes a secret Democratic conduit to evilness..
    What are you trying to imply?

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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No, it's what the IRS said... right here... from the IRS's own website.



    Lois G. Lerner Selected as Director of IRS Exempt Organizations Division

    She was never appointed by Bush or Reagan for anything.

    But that still doesn't explain where the poster is going with all of this....

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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    She was never appointed by Bush or Reagan for anything.

    But that still doesn't explain where the poster is going with all of this....
    The poster was trying to imply this was all Bush's fault or Reagans fault - hence the Genesis of this entire affair was because of Republicans - which I just squashed like a bug.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No, it's what the IRS said... right here... from the IRS's own website.



    Lois G. Lerner Selected as Director of IRS Exempt Organizations Division

    It's pretty obvious that we're holding two incompatible ideas here: that Lerner and her department are inherently political positions under Obama, but were only plodding government employees under Bush. But instead of acknowledging a mistake and moving forward, you invent a new label with an imaginary distinction. Lerner was SELECTED, not appointed therefore she has nothing to do with Bush and must be an Obama retroactive spy. Want proof, I found an article that says SELECTED, therefore obviously Bush had nothing to do with it.

    So if I find an article that says someone was selected that means what? McCain selects Palin as his running mate.... Oh selected, no politics there. Kerry selected to succeed Clinton as Sec State. Oh, SELECTED.. ..

    Sigh....

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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Huh? Lerner was appointed by Reagan as what?
    According to liberal revisionist history, yes. I cannot find any official government files on her during these years.

    According to blogs and other resources of unknown integrity, she was appointed to an FEC position in 1981 or 1986. I saw two different years. There was no senate confirmation vote, so it wasn't a key position. She was probably part of some package agreement the democrats insisted on. Same under Bush (43). They say she was appointed to the IRS then, but not necessarily by Bush's request.

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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    It's pretty obvious that we're holding two incompatible ideas here: that Lerner and her department are inherently political positions under Obama, but were only plodding government employees under Bush.
    You're the only person attempting to make that distinction, and you're failing miserably.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    But instead of acknowledging it and moving forward, you invent a new label with an imaginary distinction. Lerner was SELECTED, not appointed therefore she has nothing to do with Bush and must be an Obama retroactive spy. Want proof, I found an article that says SELECTED, therefore obviously Bush had nothing to do with it.
    First, I invented nothing. Second, the IRS described how she was "selected". Third, where is the proof of a Bush appointment? Oh yeah - there isn't any. Fourth - I didn't provide an article, I provided the IRS's official notification. You couldn't be more dishonest in your post if you tried - and I do believe you've tried.... very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    So if I find an article that says someone was selected that means what? McCain selects Palin as his running mate.... Oh selected, no politics there. Kerry selected to succeed Clinton as Sec State. Oh, SELECTED.. ..
    Well, since McCain wasn't in a position to APPOINT anyone as his running mate, yes he selected.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Sigh....
    First rule of holes - if you find yourself in one stop digging. This is a good time to stop digging. Tend to your wounds a live to try another day.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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