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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That doesn't make obstruction legal.
    where is the obstruction?
    she advised her subordinate staff to be cautious about what is shared in emails because there may be a need for the congress to read them
    and it appears her caution was warranted, because look at how the hyper-partisans have read her email, insisting that she is advocating 'obstruction'
    how much sense does it make for learner to send an email which she knew might be read by congress, and suborn congressional oversight within said email?
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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Let me guess, you've never had any experience with email accounts which have a reasonable chance of being subpoenaed. Because if you did, you'd realize the importance of being careful. Don't write anything you don't want congress reading; no recipes, forwards, jokes, insulting words about your boss.... keep everything sterile. I daresay that anyone on this board would be quite embarrassed if all of their emails were made public.
    I have had LOTS of experience with just that. The standard boilerplate is: "This email account is for official use only, do not use this email account for non-government use", and so on. This boilerplate pops up on all government computers at log in and is in all new hire documentation. Nowhere, and I mean NOWHERE, does it ever say that employees should be careful of what they say in emails because it can be subpoenaed. The reason it doesn't say that is because it is advising employees to skirt the law. In fact, the exact OPPOSITE is the standard instruction to all government employees regarding the use of their government email account. All business communication needs to be documented in email or some other permanent medium because it is the public record.

    I know you don't have a clue what you are talking about, but I do.

    But instead of thinking about it logically, you're imagining a giant conspiracy masterminded by a 30 year Reagan appointee to delay the application of a few groups which were applying for a status that doesn't apply to them in order to skirt campaign finance laws. Yawn.
    You are the one talking illogically. As someone who has a lot of experience working in and around the Federal Government all I can tell you is you are full of crap. Official standing orders in any Federal Government Office is the exact opposite of what Lois Lerner was saying in that email.
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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I mentioned yesterday why they need to be cautious what they write in emails. They have access to taxpayer information and it would not be prudent to email that information to anyone because it is not secure. I think that's a no brainer.
    Pete, yes this makes sense.

    However, there's no mention of tax payer's private information in this text:



    No, only congress is mentioned in this text.

    So I think it's safe to assume that Lerner and her buddies weren't worried about tax payer's private information being released ( heck they released conservative donor lists to their opposition for public excoriation, did they not? ).

    No, Lerner and her buddies are worried about congress finding something out that they'd much rather keep hidden from congress. There's every reason to be suspicious.
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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Pete, yes this makes sense.

    However, there's no mention of tax payer's private information in this text:



    No, only congress is mentioned in this text.

    So I think it's safe to assume that Lerner and her buddies weren't worried about tax payer's private information being released ( heck they released conservative donor lists to their opposition for public excoriation, did they not? ).

    No, Lerner and her buddies are worried about congress finding something out that they'd much rather keep hidden from congress. There's every reason to be suspicious.
    Yeah, sending that email to only two people we should be very suspicious. You crack me up.

    Here is a link to the whole string (3 emails)

    http://oversight.house.gov/wp-conten...mail-use-2.pdf


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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    where is the obstruction?
    she advised her subordinate staff to be cautious about what is shared in emails because there may be a need for the congress to read them
    and it appears her caution was warranted, because look at how the hyper-partisans have read her email, insisting that she is advocating 'obstruction'
    how much sense does it make for learner to send an email which she knew might be read by congress, and suborn congressional oversight within said email?
    Her instructions to her staff are the exact opposite of the standing government orders regarding email use.
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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Yeah, sending that email to only two people we should be very suspicious. You crack me up.

    Here is a link to the whole string (3 emails)

    http://oversight.house.gov/wp-conten...mail-use-2.pdf
    Actually it's far more suspicious that it was ONLY emailed to 2 other people. Had it been to a long list of people and a general policy type statement of which information is appropriate and inappropriate for email, it wouldn't be suspicious at all. But that's not at all what what's going on in this email here, is it?

    The conclusion would be that they are the other 2 people involved in the conspiracy / corruption. Would it not?
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Let me see if I'm getting this straight here.

    Some here are suggesting that Lerner is referring to things of personal use that are being discussed on a business email account, if that's the case, anyone using IRS email accounts for anything other than official business should be disciplined immediately.

    What else would you want to hide from Congress if you're just doing your job on IRS email accounts?

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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Yes, like if someone destroyed something like ,oh I don't know, A FREEKIN HARD DRIVE!
    Agreed. Unless it was standard operating procedure to destroy hard drives and it happened that way.
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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Pete, yes this makes sense.

    However, there's no mention of tax payer's private information in this text:



    No, only congress is mentioned in this text.

    So I think it's safe to assume that Lerner and her buddies weren't worried about tax payer's private information being released ( heck they released conservative donor lists to their opposition for public excoriation, did they not? ).

    No, Lerner and her buddies are worried about congress finding something out that they'd much rather keep hidden from congress. There's every reason to be suspicious.
    You just might want to consider the date on that email. April 9, 2013. Use that head God gave to you.


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    Re: GOP: Lerner warned IRS employees to hide information from Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    A hammer is an inappropriate to to cut a board to length.

    Keywords are an inappropriate method for selecting groups for additional scrutiny.

    The latter is the form of the word "inappropriate" used in the treasury report. It clearly states that using keywords puts groups who shouldn't be scrutinized under scrutiny while allowing others that should be to slip through. Treasury said that EVERYBODY should be scrutinized for compliance.

    They did not use the form of the word like "he touched the child inappropriately"

    Didn't keep the right from claiming it did. Or from continuing to do so.
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