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    Re: Jailed 10 yrs: New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin on corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    There was a lot of lack of leadership to go around. Should they all be thrown in jail?
    He was the first line of defense and he failed without a shadow of a doubt. At the very least, He should have been removed from his mayoral post. This isn't an event where the details were murky or where decisions weren't made because it may have put others in dangers. This is a situation where the first line of defense was the city and its leaders. Nagin demonstrated he wasn't ready before, during or after the event and 1,300 died as a result. Don't be hackish about this.
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    Re: Jailed 10 yrs: New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin on corruption

    About time. I saw him eating fine food on a linen table cloth that was catered in at one of the meetings I had to go to with him for us to beg him to sign the proper requests to get state and federal assistance... this was while the people of that city were having to loot stores just to get formula for their babies and food for their family. What the TV showed were the thugs stealing TV's, But, what I saw were, not all, but mostly desperate people doing what they had to do to survive.

    Just look at some cities that had similar levels of damage; Gulfport and Biloxi, MS versus New Orleans, LA. The first two responded immediately upon notice that Katrina may hit, two days before it did in fact hit. New Orleans never... NEVER... activated their Disaster Response Plan... NEVER. It was ad hoc from day one. It was more of a "how can I make a buck off of this" than anything else.

    It was sickening. Especially to see him all over the TV, blaming everyone but himself and his corrupt staff.

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    Re: Jailed 10 yrs: New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin on corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    About time. I saw him eating fine food on a linen table cloth that was catered in at one of the meetings I had to go to with him for us to beg him to sign the proper requests to get state and federal assistance... this was while the people of that city were having to loot stores just to get formula for their babies and food for their family. What the TV showed were the thugs stealing TV's, But, what I saw were, not all, but mostly desperate people doing what they had to do to survive.

    Just look at some cities that had similar levels of damage; Gulfport and Biloxi, MS versus New Orleans, LA. The first two responded immediately upon notice that Katrina may hit, two days before it did in fact hit. New Orleans never... NEVER... activated their Disaster Response Plan... NEVER. It was ad hoc from day one. It was more of a "how can I make a buck off of this" than anything else.

    It was sickening. Especially to see him all over the TV, blaming everyone but himself and his corrupt staff.
    I think what may have set NO apart was probably its size in comparison to those cities. NO had a population of nearly a half million before Katrina. Biloxi and Gulport don't even register above 150K together. New Orleans due to its much larger size would have probably been harder to organize. My problem with Nagins' handling of Katrina came after seeing this:






    Having seen the pictures above and hearing Nagin's comment about NO being a "chocolate city" I went: 'Nah "brother", it's a black city, a white city, a French city, an English city, a cajun city but its only descriptive wasn't a chocolate city'. That was disproven by the basic acts of kindness that crossed racial lines. I felt bad for thinking that it was all Bush's fault when things were coming into the light. Sure, he deserved some of the blame for FEMA's handling of the situation after the hurricane. Let's be honest, it was terrible and he should have been criticized for it. However, Nagin was definitely to blame for the situation getting as bad as it did. He was the first line of defense.
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    Re: Jailed 10 yrs: New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin on corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    He should have been jailed for the fact that his lack of leadership during Katrina directly contributed to the deaths of over 1,000 people. He should have then been jailed by completely ****ting on New Orlean's historically mixed heritage with his 'chocolate city' bull****. Good riddance.
    Sadly, incompetence in government is punished only with money and occasionally promotion. The governor also generally dicked around, though agreeably nowhere nearly as badly as this guy.

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    Re: Jailed 10 yrs: New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin on corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    A Corrupt Democrat Politician ?

    Shocking !!

    So who's more corrupt ? Kwame Kirkpatrick or Ray Nagin ?
    Good thing there are no corrupt GOP types out there...

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    Re: Jailed 10 yrs: New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin on corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Sadly, incompetence in government is punished only with money and occasionally promotion. The governor also generally dicked around, though agreeably nowhere nearly as badly as this guy.
    I'm talking only as far as NO is concerned.

    I think Nagin carries a lot of the blame because he should have pushed for emergency aid and measures more adamantly. Blanco was practically absent because I believe she delegated power to the people who should have been heading the preparations. I think she claimed in a cocky manner that they were prepared and then when she met up with the local leaders, realized they'd royally ****ed around with the money. Then, she got worried and called the cavalry in DC. By the time DC actually got around to figuring out just what the **** was going on, NO was underwater.

    Obviously, Blanco carries some of the blame, she should have put a bit more oversight into the preparations but I think the weight of the responsibility falls on local city leaders to organize with things like evacuations. The governor should only have been in charge of allocating the resources and ensuring the state in general has taken the appropriate measures. City leaders are in charge of enforcing those measures and distributing the resources in the appropriate manner. Nagin clearly failed.
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    Re: Jailed 10 yrs: New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin on corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Good thing there are no corrupt GOP types out there...
    Yea good thing....

    In proportion to the amount of corruption thats rampant in the Democrat party, there's really not much in GOP malfeasance.

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    Re: Jailed 10 yrs: New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin on corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
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    I've been a lot of places during bad times and I've seen a lot of bad things as well. What I saw in NoLa saddened, enraged, and shocked on one hand and gave me faith in mankind, joy for the spirit of the human heart and the knowledge that when all else fails us, we can lean on, count on and rely on each other - regardless of race, age, sex, social status, income level or even if you didn't speak English.

    NoLa during Katrina was a dichotomy of both what we fear most and what we love most about ourselves.

    I left the politics out of my post when I mentioned him blaming everyone else on TV, because that's exactly what he did - he blamed everyone of both parties above him; from the Dem Governor to the Rep President to the Dem Senator and so. He didn't give a crap as long as he could fool those poor folks into believing his crap, which is what the "chocolate city" comment was for. I, too, thought that comment, for NoLa especially, was ironic as hell. Of all the cities in this country, I would dare to say that NoLa is the most diverse regarding cultures, races and history... second only to New York, but a hell of a lot more interesting and fun (IMH southern O).

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    Liberalismódividing up the EARNED wealth of honest, hard working and ingenious AMERICANS and giving it to the leeches who would rather waste their worthless lives living off the government teat.
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    Re: Jailed 10 yrs: New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin on corruption

    Ignore the partisanship, guys. Keep the good discussion going. This is about one person (Ray Nagin) and their utter failure as a human being and city leader. He got what he deserved and it came with interest. It doesn't have to be a right/left issue.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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