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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Hmmm. So the fringe goes wild when multiple surveys of publishing climate scientists show 97% agreement that AGW is real and a problem.

    Then a survey of the general public comes out and the fringe tries to make the case that AGW is still unsettled.

    Funny.
    Tell me how you would solve the supposed problem?
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Tell me how you would solve the supposed problem?
    Well, lots of suggestions are here:

    www.ipcc.ch



    You seem to be unfamiliar with this, so I'll let you peruse it first.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Ah well, at least you have a lot of company among those who don't have a clue what a straw man is. And those who seem to read a whole lot into my comments that I didn't say. But thanks for the commentary and do have a nice day.
    Straw man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" implies an adversarial, polemic, or combative debate, and creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    That is what the AGW religionists just don't get. When we skeptics--and a skeptic is not the same thing as a denier despite how many times the AGW religionists say they are--when we skeptics observe again and again that what they say is happening doesn't happen, you have to think there is good reason to back up and look at it all more objectively or with a critical eye. If the popular scientific view was that there is no gravity, a great many of us would question that purely based on our observation that nothing that falls ever falls in any direction but down.

    When we skeptics can observe that the doomday prophecies of the AGW cult fail to materialize again and again and again, we have to question whether anybody really knows what they are talking about. And when we observe that those promoting the AGW cult themselves do not demonstrate lifestyles that suggest they are in any way personally concerned about AGW, you have to question how deeply they believe it themselves. And when you observe that so very few scientists who are NOT receiving grant monies to promote AGW are buying into the doctrine, you wonder how much politics and money is running the show.

    It is not a matter of being anti-science. It is a matter of observing the obvious.
    Mainstream AGW science never predicted "doomsday" scenarios by 2014. The hyperbole of this is also deceptive. The effects of global warming are more about grinding consequences that worsen many human scenarios around the world than some kind of doomsday cataclysm.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    One solution for increasing renewable energy and reduding C02 is community power. This is also a way giving more indepdence and power to individuals and communities. Instead of countining being dependent on big multinational companies. That instead of having huge expensive powerplant for example coal that only big companies or the goverment can run you instead have small renewable solutions that can be own and run by communities.

    https://www.foeeurope.org/community-...riefing-011213

    One other thing is reducing the consumption of meat. That USA but also many other countries today are mulicultural. With imigrants from the medditarien countries, India and other places with a lot of great vegetarian or partly vegatarian dishes. So maybee it's possible to try some of those dishes and if you like it find some new great dishes to eat.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    One solution for increasing renewable energy and reduding C02 is community power. This is also a way giving more indepdence and power to individuals and communities. Instead of countining being dependent on big multinational companies. That instead of having huge expensive powerplant for example coal that only big companies or the goverment can run you instead have small renewable solutions that can be own and run by communities.

    https://www.foeeurope.org/community-...riefing-011213

    One other thing is reducing the consumption of meat. That USA but also many other countries today are mulicultural. With imigrants from the medditarien countries, India and other places with a lot of great vegetarian or partly vegatarian dishes. So maybee it's possible to try some of those dishes and if you like it find some new great dishes to eat.

    Huh ?

    Lol !! Communal locally run power plants using what ? Wind ? Solar ?

    They don't work, just ask Germany.

    And Red Meat ? WTH ?

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Well, lots of suggestions are here:

    IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change



    You seem to be unfamiliar with this, so I'll let you peruse it first.

    Ok, so I went through about 20 pages of:

    http://report.mitigation2014.org/spm...s_approved.pdf

    And a few things I noticed...

    1. They employ one of the first mitigation factors as "economic inequality" across the globe, and the "shifting of resources" in terms of equalizing different countries efforts, but then they make extensive that while this happens these very countries are given excuses for not doing a damned thing while they rake in money from other wealthier countries.....

    This "shifting of resource" is through the development and creation of a global carbon credit exchange, and with this creation of a global fiat currency they achieve two things...a. They de-peg the dollar as the worlds currency of trade, and b. they are able to drain wealth from wealthier countries and redistribute it to poorer countries.

    This is a horrible idea in my humble opinion, and will meet with significant opposition not only within the US, but other countries as well....

    2. They roll out the same things that we already have been told about previously to mitigate supposed AGW, such as:

    a. Planting trees
    b. Carbon sequester
    c. increased use of "renewable's" (but the only thing they actually name is Nuclear)
    d. increase of "bio-energy"

    And my personal favorite:

    Encroaching on private land use. Which imho, any abrogation of private property rights is the start of giving up freedom.

    3. And lastly, the emphasis on the numbers, and charts used based on politicized, highly contested data conclusions is specious in its call for a hyperbolic rhetorical excuses for global wealth redistribution and really little concerning ideas on how to shift from the supposed "harmful energy sources" now used throughout the world.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    One solution for increasing renewable energy and reduding C02 is community power. This is also a way giving more indepdence and power to individuals and communities. Instead of countining being dependent on big multinational companies. That instead of having huge expensive powerplant for example coal that only big companies or the goverment can run you instead have small renewable solutions that can be own and run by communities.

    https://www.foeeurope.org/community-...riefing-011213

    One other thing is reducing the consumption of meat. That USA but also many other countries today are mulicultural. With imigrants from the medditarien countries, India and other places with a lot of great vegetarian or partly vegatarian dishes. So maybee it's possible to try some of those dishes and if you like it find some new great dishes to eat.
    So, not only are you expressing that the availability of reliable, low cost energy be just done away with, without really explaining what would take its place, or how long it would take to do any such transition if it were even possible without crashing countries, and destroying living standards. Then if that is not enough, you then propose that everyone on the planet give up red meat, for a vegan lifestyle? Who the hell is anyone to tell me what to eat, and what I can't have?

    Yeah, good luck with that one.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I would imagine.

    Of course, if you bothered to look at the link, it lists the scientific organizations that have issues statements on AGW.
    Does man effect the environment? Sure, man does. Will limiting CO2 reduce the effects of global warming? Sure, it won't. And, unless you have every country on board with carbon emissions regulation, you won't reduce CO2, either. How do you plan to reduce the carbon footprint when CO2 is exhaled from every human?

    Tell me again with a straight face how environmentalists propose to retard global warming? Tell me again with a straight face the earth is in imminent danger from global warming.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Does man effect the environment? Sure, man does. Will limiting CO2 reduce the effects of global warming? Sure, it won't. And, unless you have every country on board with carbon emissions regulation, you won't reduce CO2, either. How do you plan to reduce the carbon footprint when CO2 is exhaled from every human?

    Tell me again with a straight face how environmentalists propose to retard global warming? Tell me again with a straight face the earth is in imminent danger from global warming.
    Well by taking your wealth and giving it to someone else of course....Oh, and planting trees.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    It tips the delicate balance, cabse5. And not by a lot, too. And it's that tip that is cause our planet to warm.
    I'll repeat: how does your environmental, 'let's return the earth to a more pristine environment' ideology prevent global warming? Heck, how does it fit into a discussion of ways to prevent global warming?

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